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Death Penalty by BuggedEyes 2006-11-19 12:55:59
Hi

I live in the U.S. in the San Francisco Bay area and as such have been inundated by news of Scott Peterson's trial.

As such I'm not going to automatically assume that everyone in the world has been riveted to this trial by jury. Summed up, Scott Peterson was accused and found guilty of killing his known to be pregnant wife and dumping her off of a boat. He had been cheating on her and basically been found to be an all around bad egg.
Scott Peterson was found to be guilty and the jury just recommended the death penalty to be administered. The judge will come back around Feb-Mar to declare the punishment but that's it in a nutshell.

My question for Ufies around the world:

What do you think of the United State's death penalty, and what does it say to you about us for using it?
[ Reply ]
  The US kills children. by Didactylos2004-12-14 07:47:53
  You also realize, that if he actually by P.Buttercup2004-12-14 07:55:34
    Does that ameliorate the sentence? (n/t) by BuggedEyes2004-12-14 08:06:22
      no, I just think by P.Buttercup2004-12-14 08:23:14
        Sure you can laugh at Death. by krikkert2004-12-14 09:12:24
        Any texan ufie's correct me if I'm wrong, but by jayfarm2004-12-14 12:33:34
  Hm. by krikkert2004-12-14 07:59:41
    According to the same article by HeyRef2004-12-14 08:19:08
      This concerns . . . by mmell2004-12-14 08:23:18
        But that was not krikkert's argument by HeyRef2004-12-14 08:31:59
          I wasn't answering krikkert at that time. by mmell2004-12-14 08:34:04
            But I was answering krikkert by HeyRef2004-12-14 09:00:45
              Yah . . . by mmell2004-12-14 09:06:35
                Agreed (n/t) by HeyRef2004-12-14 09:29:28
      The following post is my opinion only: by krikkert2004-12-14 08:30:37
        Well said. (n/t) by mmell2004-12-14 08:34:46
        A little devil's advocate here... by jdelphiki2004-12-14 11:33:40
          apples and oranges? by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 11:46:25
            Sorry joe but I'd argue that the death penalty is by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:14:57
          We're not discussing individual actions here. by mmell2004-12-14 11:52:58
            Good points and questions... by jdelphiki2004-12-14 13:04:31
              Well, one thing I can agree with . . . by mmell2004-12-14 13:19:57
                Good discussion. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:39:14
                  That senitment I'll agree with. by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:19:10
    I have a question. by kelli2172004-12-14 08:25:28
      Read my reply to HeyRef. (n/t) by krikkert2004-12-14 09:01:55
  The death penalty is indefensible. by mmell2004-12-14 08:00:26
    *sigh* How about practicality? by Voltigeur2004-12-14 08:10:37
      Fifty-three innocents murdered . . . by mmell2004-12-14 08:14:31
        IMHO, no. by krikkert2004-12-14 08:35:05
        A lot more than fifty-three by HadEnuf2004-12-14 10:02:12
          I didn't make myself clear . . . by mmell2004-12-14 10:10:03
            You made yourself clear enough by HadEnuf2004-12-14 11:15:02
              Then I've failed to make my point. by mmell2004-12-14 11:45:37
      Unfortunately not 100% of those executed by version0.12004-12-14 08:15:09
        I can't speak for the states but.. by Voltigeur2004-12-14 08:24:47
          War has always been considered a special case. by mmell2004-12-14 08:32:48
          Er, what does Iraq have to do with this discussion by version0.12004-12-14 08:32:49
      Another reason as well: by phezult2004-12-14 08:20:02
        Fallacy detected. by mmell2004-12-14 08:28:03
          I loved that too by BuggedEyes2004-12-14 08:38:10
          The intent most certainly plays into it. by nin_man2004-12-14 08:42:28
            But I'm still likely to kill again . . . by mmell2004-12-14 08:48:08
          I agree that capital punishment is not a deterrent by HeyRef2004-12-14 08:47:44
            I take your point. by mmell2004-12-14 08:52:34
              accidental death != murder by HeyRef2004-12-14 09:28:02
                Ahhh . . . shades of gray. by mmell2004-12-14 09:55:21
                  No. People are driven by emotion entirely too by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 10:05:06
                    Danny Lee Young drove his car into a crowd... by mmell2004-12-14 10:12:44
                  Does not matter if we are wise enough by Ston2004-12-14 10:06:31
                    s/punish/not punish/ (n/t) by Ston2004-12-14 10:07:10
                    So that makes us different from the murderer . . . by mmell2004-12-14 10:13:45
                      We recognize that the by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 10:37:34
                        Yes, but how is that value greater than that . . . by mmell2004-12-14 11:47:42
                          The murderer has declared that his life by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 12:14:37
                            Ergo, two wrongs make a right, yes? (n/t) by mmell2004-12-14 13:20:45
                            So, one gang banger shooting another gang banger by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 15:29:06
                              Yes, if he did not need to die. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:45:09
                              no In that instance I hope for the best by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:38:37
                            Only if your believe by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:35:01
                              If the ultimate crime is killing someone... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:37:07
                                Yes, but no. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:42:49
                                but what if someone is executed by mistake? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:53:22
                                Mistake != unjustified. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 16:09:28
                                So if... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 16:13:18
                                Not justified, because by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 16:17:04
                                The state is made up of people by MikeCDN2004-12-14 16:29:34
                                And... by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 17:01:00
                                Saying that they are different by MikeCDN2004-12-14 17:06:39
                                They are different. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 18:28:52
                                but what if someone is executed by mistake? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:54:12
                                No (n/t) by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:39:58
                          easy question by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:36:42
                      That question by Ston2004-12-14 16:09:45
                In some cultures, accidental killing *does* equal by HadEnuf2004-12-14 10:24:11
          the car accident question by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:28:35
        Hmm. I am not sure that capital punishment.. by Voltigeur2004-12-14 08:30:14
          Deterrence is hard to pin down by jdelphiki2004-12-14 09:14:52
          For capital punishment to be a by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 10:41:07
        Another fallacy by version0.12004-12-14 08:37:46
          I did say I haven't been keeping up, plus by phezult2004-12-14 09:09:33
            How can you claim... by Illiad2004-12-14 09:18:46
            I sympathize by version0.12004-12-14 10:02:21
        I tend to... by jdelphiki2004-12-14 08:57:46
          Playing a bit of devil's advicate here by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 10:49:10
            Not necessarily, because by jdelphiki2004-12-14 11:12:13
              Q: What's the difference... by Illiad2004-12-14 12:15:15
                By my vague understanding of the law... by jdelphiki2004-12-14 12:45:29
              why distinguish? by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:46:58
    There are an awful lot of us humans. by IronPIP2004-12-14 12:31:39
      "And will you spare them for the sake of one?" (n/t) by mmell2004-12-14 13:16:09
      "Human society" or your society? by Illiad2004-12-14 13:17:34
        You still put people away for life. by IronPIP2004-12-14 13:38:01
          The prisoner sentenced to life in prison... by mmell2004-12-14 13:46:00
          hahahaha, how far is your head up your butt? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:46:03
            Keep it cool, dude. by mmell2004-12-14 13:47:34
            Easy, Mike. by Illiad2004-12-14 13:50:13
              apologies (n/t) by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:51:15
            How did we get to the point of having 9x the pop? by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:00:31
              Are we then unable to improve ourselves? by mmell2004-12-14 14:03:49
              uh... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:08:24
                Our land's better. by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:32:15
                  uh by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:37:03
                  No question... by Illiad2004-12-14 15:10:58
                    ...and several orders of magnitude richer in by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 15:36:36
          Of course we do. by Illiad2004-12-14 13:48:29
            s/therefore globally/therefore politically (n/t) by Illiad2004-12-14 13:48:52
      When your on death row by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:20:26
        Lucky (born out of wedlock)... by mmell2004-12-14 13:25:46
        The means are justified. They are not the ends. by IronPIP2004-12-14 13:48:20
          Or you could just make sure there are no mistakes by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:50:27
            Two counterpoints by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:18:57
              Can't fix the system - don't bother trying. by mmell2004-12-14 14:22:07
                By all means, try to fix the system. by IronPIP2004-12-14 17:52:13
              Well by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:34:30
                and continuing... by IronPIP2004-12-14 17:27:42
                  Then why do violent crimes still exist? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 18:24:47
                    Punishment is not the only factor... by IronPIP2004-12-14 20:32:50
              Clearly reduced to a matter of values. by Illiad2004-12-14 15:12:39
              Last sentence - last "death" -> "wrongful death" (n/t) by IronPIP2004-12-14 17:53:55
          How many (undesserved) deaths are acceptable? by mmell2004-12-14 13:51:42
            Many, but I can't provide a number or an equation. by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:26:04
              No, it isn't blatantly incorrect. by mmell2004-12-14 14:51:37
                Life, Death, and Mathematics by IronPIP2004-12-14 18:19:23
    Society has a responsibility... by tskelton2004-12-14 19:29:29
  One more thing that I've noticed... by BuggedEyes2004-12-14 08:13:35
    Open question... by binkley2004-12-14 09:15:06
      The contrast isn't so sharp as you think by HadEnuf2004-12-14 09:43:27
  EU perspective by darthludi2004-12-14 09:27:25
    "Lex Talionis" is proscriptive, not prescriptive by HadEnuf2004-12-14 09:31:17
  Life imprisonment without parole is a far better by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 09:51:51
    Is an "Eye for an Eye" outdated though? by BuggedEyes2004-12-14 10:42:13
      Yes, I believe it is. There are too many people by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 15:26:01
        Maybe you'd like to define "victimless"? by IronPIP2004-12-14 20:51:35
  Does this mean Abortion = Murder? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 09:57:50
    It's politically convenient. by Illiad2004-12-14 10:02:15
      So... it's a good thing to elect hypocrites? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 10:07:29
  "Desserves death?" by mmell2004-12-14 10:04:16
  Approved. by Havoc2004-12-14 11:05:44
  AWESOME THREAD, B.E. by mmell2004-12-14 14:56:23
  Fry him. by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:10:15

 

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