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Do we suspend Godwin's law? by Slamlander 2004-07-12 04:45:28
Since, the antics of the current administration is an almost inescapable parallel to early Hitler reign.

Godwin's law, on UseNet was enacted because lots of the ignorant were calling almost everything fascists, including the boiling of eggs. At the time, many of those parallels were beyond ludicrous and those making those parallels were purposely doing so in order to derail other, more legitimate, discussions. In those days, thoughts of serious election tampering and the potential of a pre-emptive dictatorship were considered far-fetched.

I drew the parallels twice today because I honestly believe that they exist and they are real.

  1. Long term consistent election tampering is on the verge of being proven
  2. the current US administration is using fear-mongering to potentially cancel elections.
  3. American Civil Rights are being curtailed via Patriot Act I and other legislation, most of which are unconstitutional.
  4. The US Federal Government is already rogue, it is no longer considered far-fetched for a US citizen to be held (like Germans in Nazi Germany) without trial, laws, or other rights, in direct violation of the US Constitution.
  5. Arms restrictions and other mechanisms necessary for a US citizen's legal right to revolt, are in place and being tightened (Various Gun Control Acts and other activities against the 2d Amendment).
  6. Travel is being restrcted socio-economically, and may soon be formally restricted.
  7. Free association is now forbidden (read PA-I) as is free private communications (CALEA).
We cannot freely discuss these things without seriously running afoul of Godwin's law. I move that we suspend Godwin's law for the duration.

[ Reply ]
  Do you have any references backing #1? (n/t) by chrisP2004-07-12 04:53:37
    Look into Diebold... (n/t) by McNutcase2004-07-12 04:55:11
      You don't need Diebold by snowblind2004-07-12 09:49:27
    Thank Kickstart by Slamlander2006-11-19 12:55:59
      Error Occured While Processing Request by McNutcase2004-07-12 04:59:50
        Then looky here ... by Slamlander2006-11-19 12:55:59
          Thank'ee, that linky works fine. by McNutcase2004-07-12 05:05:45
            Me knows: UTF-8 (or something) character in link. (n/t) by Yadot2004-07-12 06:43:26
      Thanks! by chrisP2004-07-12 05:17:00
        No kidding. by Khaar2004-07-12 06:06:15
          I hate to say it, but by chrisP2006-11-19 12:55:59
            I noticed. by Khaar2004-07-12 06:28:05
              No e-mail or anything? by Khaar2004-07-12 06:32:53
              "aircraft-carrier-sized security hole" by chrisP2004-07-12 06:47:14
      And another one from the same author. by chrisP2006-11-19 12:55:59
    Black Box Voting by TrogL2006-11-19 12:55:59
  Actually number 4 has already happenned by cristobal2004-07-12 05:02:31
    Follow KS's link by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:06:28
      I will post my thoughts on this later by cristobal2004-07-12 08:48:07
        Some thoughts by cristobal2006-11-19 12:55:59
          Well the thing is by Slamlander2004-07-12 23:59:10
    Oh and No, I haven't by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:42:49
      Moore makes some of the same points as you do by cristobal2004-07-12 08:51:17
  Kickstart's link re: #1 is rather suspect. by Adiplomat2004-07-12 05:14:12
    So do I but, by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:16:32
      I need to see the charge made (and substantiated) by Adiplomat2004-07-12 05:25:07
        It's only a corrolation by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:28:14
          I see history as well, Slamlander, by Adiplomat2004-07-12 05:31:51
            It's actually codified in the FAQ by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:32:57
              Not that I've seen. If it is, show me, and by Adiplomat2004-07-12 05:36:32
                Ctrl-F. by Ravenlock2006-11-19 12:55:59
        Jeb Bush did it in 2000... by acsronin2006-11-19 12:55:59
    You are picking invalid nits. by Naruki2004-07-12 09:43:04
  BTW, IMHO, any four of the seven by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:31:21
    As I said below, I'll discuss anything I want, by Adiplomat2004-07-12 05:34:45
      It would be nice by Slamlander2004-07-12 05:46:35
  I'm in favor. by Ravenlock2004-07-12 05:50:07
  Suspend Godwin's Law for as long as the Feral by NOLAWitch2004-07-12 05:52:53
    Make no mistake by Slamlander2004-07-12 06:07:33
      It's time to send them a message. by NOLAWitch2004-07-12 06:20:26
        That would be all but one. (n/t) by DesertRat662004-07-12 07:04:48
          And that one the janitor? (n/t) by TheGM2004-07-12 08:47:21
            One Senator by DesertRat662004-07-12 10:08:24
              So how do you propose we fix it? by Ravenlock2004-07-12 10:37:07
                Correction in 3rd paragraph: by Arcanum2004-07-12 10:42:06
                  Thank you. Good refinement. (n/t) by Ravenlock2004-07-12 10:51:25
                You start with term limits by DesertRat662006-11-19 12:55:59
                  Ha ha ha! Dumbya "fix" intelligence! by NOLAWitch2004-07-12 11:53:19
                  Thank you for the links. by Ravenlock2004-07-12 12:24:11
                    No problem by DesertRat662004-07-12 12:30:23
                    Incidentally, it is worth noting... by Ravenlock2004-07-12 12:31:01
                      You didn't specify by DesertRat662004-07-12 12:34:13
  A nice article on Godwin's law by BrainBug2004-07-12 06:31:22
  hate to admit it... by acsronin2004-07-12 06:48:47
  I thought Godwin's law was more like Murphy's Law by kiroh2004-07-12 07:54:03
    Godwin's Law explained. by Ravenlock2006-11-19 12:55:59
      Thanks, but you'll note my quote comes from there (n/t) by kiroh2004-07-12 08:38:21
        As does this: by Ravenlock2004-07-12 08:45:45
          Yeah, but... by BrainBug2004-07-12 09:00:35
            *Shrug* We've been applying it here... by Ravenlock2004-07-12 09:27:36
              Told you I was just picking nits :P (n/t) by BrainBug2004-07-12 09:37:30
  OK, can't resist by nitpickin2004-07-12 08:08:10
    Very good points by DesertRat662004-07-12 10:06:55
      Interpretation: by Naruki2004-07-12 11:12:22
    Let me see if I get your points... by Arcanum2004-07-12 11:13:01
      Heh. by Naruki2004-07-12 11:29:55
    Comments: by Naruki2004-07-12 11:25:49
      On a lighter note... by GigiNYC2004-07-12 15:32:46
  Is that why people always say "pinko commies" by Dazed2004-07-12 11:08:52
    (in the U.S.) Communists by Matthewdba2004-07-12 11:13:52
      Plus, we've had more fascist leanings ourselves... by Naruki2004-07-12 12:13:33
        That closing comment is downright profound by Dazed2004-07-12 21:24:43

 

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