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The SF vs. SciFi Debate by Illiad 2004-05-11 01:06:19
This debate is probably only of import to pedants like myself, but I always wince when I hear someone call Star Wars "great science fiction."

I wince because there's really no science in Star Wars. It's great space opera sure, which is a subset of the broad domain called science fiction. It also chaps my buttocks when people talk about great science fiction on TV. With the possible exception of B5, I can't think of a single great science fiction show on television in the last decade.

(And I know fans of Farscape and Firefly and a few other shows will take me to task on this -- but I remain steadfast in my refusal to accept glossed-over technology and the impact those technologies have on the human race as part and parcel of good science fiction.)

So the pedant in me likes to categorize things a little more specifically; the broad brush of "science fiction" is used far too liberally IMO. Farscape and Firefly would fit under "SciFi" in my mind. There has been almost nothing that fits under "SF" -- the category of fiction where hard science actually holds sway.

But enough gnashing of nit-picking teeth. The lead-in to my question was far longer than I expected, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. What I'd like to know is what "good science fiction" means to you? What do you look for in decent SF literature? And yes, use the broad-brush meaning of "science fiction." I know not everyone likes Forwardesque or Nivenesque or Pournellesque hard SF.

For myself, I always look for the fact that technologies are used in more than one application. You have a weapon the size of a handgun that can vaporize titanium? Then your society has fabulous miniaturization technology, remarkable power technology and (unsurprisingly) scary military tech. How does that affect the rest of society? You have a FTL drive? Great! That affects interplanetary and interstellar communications, trade, colonization, and the occupants will suffer from the effects of time dilation -- 2 years subjective time aboard ship may mean 40 years on the colonies.

I also really hate human[oid] aliens, particularly ones that we can readily comprehend. I understand why this device is used in movies and TV (so that the audience can relate to them), but in a good hard SF novel, they should be inscrutable and shockingly different. The aliens in Robert Forward's Dragon's Egg is an excellent example.

GAH. I should go to bed. Throat still feels like I'm swallowing broken glass. :-/

[ Reply ]
  Didn't Spider Robinson already settle this? by BlurOfSerenity2004-05-11 01:13:50
  The last example of hard SF... by Arivia2004-05-11 01:16:25
  Erm... doesn't SciFi stand for SCIence FIction? by kahuana2004-05-11 01:16:26
    And with that, I'm shutting down for the (n/t) by kahuana2004-05-11 01:20:00
    Colloquially, SciFi is the "kiddie" side of SF. (n/t) by skeptic2004-05-11 01:23:01
      According to Harlan Ellison by TheGM2004-05-11 11:49:59
        He needs to pull the stick out of his by BloodyViking2004-05-11 12:56:41
  Science Fiction is usually reserved now by DragonLady2004-05-11 01:34:39
  Best real SF I've read so far by murphy2004-05-11 01:38:59
  When looking for good SF.. by romandas2004-05-11 02:02:27
  Best SF writers by ulinsky2004-05-11 02:10:31
  I agree about the humanoid aliens. by skeptic2004-05-11 02:29:36
  My No. 1 by Bushido2004-05-11 03:53:11
  consistency, clarity, characters by zeldo2004-05-11 04:32:04
    Hey, you stole my by amanita2004-05-11 06:46:16
    Storyline by tryxl2004-05-11 06:59:16
  Tsk tsk! by Naruki2004-05-11 04:42:59
    I thought that was up by tnglives2006-11-19 12:55:59
      No, it's by pas512006-11-19 12:55:59
  For me, hard SF is king... by mcnutcase2004-05-11 05:05:20
  I agree with Naruki by Blackbyrd22004-05-11 06:12:06
    didn't see "signs" but did see by voxwoman2004-05-11 07:49:52
      Actually, by Blackbyrd22004-05-11 08:04:12
    What IS this strange reverence for Sagan? by Adiplomat2004-05-11 07:53:12
      beats me by voxwoman2004-05-11 07:57:40
      I'm not sure how you get 'reverence' by Blackbyrd22004-05-11 08:20:20
        My rant wasn't specifically tied to just your by Adiplomat2004-05-11 08:38:54
          Wow, pure ad hominem! by Naruki2004-05-11 09:55:11
            Please explain why by Adiplomat2004-05-11 10:25:41
              I was correct. by Naruki2004-05-11 10:45:09
                But dissing Sagan is *fun* by HadEnuf2004-05-11 10:54:04
                  Dissing someone without ANY proof by Naruki2004-05-11 11:31:20
                    Not bad, as snappy comebacks go . . . by HadEnuf2004-05-11 12:57:33
          "Dumbing down science" by BloodyViking2004-05-11 10:03:07
            You could say millions and billions, even. by Naruki2004-05-11 10:05:23
    Grr... by Naruki2004-05-11 08:28:26
  For me I compare what I'm reading against by blindman2006-11-19 12:55:59
    But you left out one of the best... by fluzwup2004-05-11 06:56:53
      And let's not forget the master of short SF... by fluzwup2004-05-11 07:02:52
      Dick knew d4 about real science. by Naruki2004-05-11 10:15:02
        Because he's just so weird. by Blackbyrd22004-05-11 10:21:08
        True, but not important... by fluzwup2004-05-11 12:10:01
          Oh, but it *is* important. by Naruki2004-05-11 13:48:21
            PETA is just being duplicitous. by BloodyViking2004-05-11 14:06:21
              No, they are being STUPID. by Naruki2004-05-11 14:13:25
                That too. by BloodyViking2004-05-11 14:54:07
              That's probably the best line I've seen in days. by Blackbyrd22004-05-11 14:25:43
  related: misuse of "fantasy" by lurker692004-05-11 06:46:53
  I read, I evaluate the merits, and I go on. by Adiplomat2004-05-11 07:42:20
  IME by voxwoman2004-05-11 07:44:57
  FM Busby's by hyzenthlay2004-05-11 07:49:51
  I forgot to throw in my fave SF author by Illiad2004-05-11 08:25:25
    Infinite Dreams! by murphy2004-05-11 13:05:57
  "Science fiction" is just a label these days. by AndyA2004-05-11 09:37:13
  Larry Niven. by Llyr2004-05-11 09:40:43
  I'm lazy. I use SciFi to mean anything that by Spud312004-05-11 10:08:02
  <ThomasDolby>She blinded me with science. by NOLAWitch2004-05-11 11:27:38
    Tsk, tsk, tsk. by Naruki2004-05-11 11:32:06
      True. My bad. / Here's the missing char. (n/t) by NOLAWitch2004-05-11 11:38:57
        <Dr.Magnus Pike>Science!</Dr. Magnus Pike> (n/t) by kahuana2004-05-11 18:46:41

 

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