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jimmy carter urges compassion for Mordor	by tegan	2006-11-19 12:55:59
Actually I kinda agree with him.	by Winsmith	2004-01-13 09:22:57
Oh please...	by subbywan	2004-01-13 09:25:39
LOL!	by Naruki	2004-01-13 09:28:17
Prove it	by subbywan	2004-01-13 09:30:30
Half a billion Catholics listen to and obey	by adiplomat	2004-01-13 09:47:35
Yeah, because we all know the Revoloution had	by woodchip	2004-01-13 09:54:53
Power was never specified. Being listened to	by adiplomat	2004-01-13 10:07:30
And yet, in the end,	by subbywan	2004-01-13 10:11:29
Yeah, 70 year old Franklin humping over the snow.	by Naruki	2004-01-13 10:12:46
But it wasn't based in the person was it? :)	by subbywan	2004-01-13 10:15:07
OK, lets (reluctantly) pound home the nail,	by adiplomat	2004-01-13 10:23:21
Read the other threads. I never said the "biggest"	by subbywan	2004-01-13 10:30:23
actually	by gibuu	2004-01-13 10:52:38
Well, I still say it is.	by subbywan	2004-01-13 11:00:10
with respect to always losing	by gibuu	2004-01-13 11:03:22
And it was achieved by force.	by subbywan	2004-01-13 11:06:56
but it wasnt achieved with violence	by gibuu	2004-01-13 11:13:58
sorry	by subbywan	2004-01-13 11:23:01
phew	by gibuu	2004-01-13 11:31:42
i agree that "some sort" of force is the source of authority as well. What we initially disagreed on was whether or not violence was the source from which all others spring or in fact if it is the most enduring source of authority. You are not any more pigheaded than I. That we are able to discuss it without resorting to violence (or for that matter name calling) I see as testament to the inefficiency of violence in achieving much more than more violence.
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