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jimmy carter urges compassion for Mordor | by tegan | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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Actually I kinda agree with him. | by Winsmith | 2004-01-13 09:22:57 |
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Oh please... | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 09:25:39 |
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LOL! | by Naruki | 2004-01-13 09:28:17 |
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Prove it | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 09:30:30 |
| Half a billion Catholics listen to and obey |
by adiplomat |
2004-01-13 09:47:35 |
the Pope. And unless you're counting the Swiss Guard as a "military backing", he has zero. Interesting, the list of famous historical persaonages who have echoed your viewpoint. I'll not name them, to keep this from getting ugly, but I'll ask you to research that. I'll also give you a couple of quotes:
"How many divisions has the Pope?"
"Power comes from the barrel of a gun."
In addition to Gandhi, I give you The Founding Fathers of the US who, quite apart from the Revolution, achieved lasting greatness without military force. Then there's Voltaire, Aquinas, Newton...
In short, not only are you, IMHO, very wrong, those who have shared your opinion historically have largely been some fairly nasty people.
I'm not a pacifist, but I believe you need to go a LONG way before resorting to violence, and almost NEVER should you initiate it. |
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And yet, we *still* have Catholics in the military | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 09:50:51 |
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Yeah, because we all know the Revoloution had | by woodchip | 2004-01-13 09:54:53 |
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Power was never specified. Being listened to | by adiplomat | 2004-01-13 10:07:30 |
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And yet, in the end, | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:11:29 |
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Yeah, 70 year old Franklin humping over the snow. | by Naruki | 2004-01-13 10:12:46 |
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But it wasn't based in the *person* was it? :) | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:15:07 |
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don't forget the french. (n/t) | by woodchip | 2004-01-13 10:18:19 |
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Ha ha ha! | by Naruki | 2004-01-13 10:18:56 |
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No, the US authority was not based in | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:22:48 |
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Wasn't talking about the US authority. | by Naruki | 2004-01-13 10:30:01 |
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So it was force then, by your argument: | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:32:55 |
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force never ends wars | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 10:38:04 |
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Partially true. | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:42:19 |
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kinda like being almost pregnant? | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 10:47:03 |
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Until someone pulls out a gun | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:53:24 |
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well having the courage | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 11:00:13 |
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I never said violence solves all problems | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 11:02:56 |
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No of course not | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 11:09:28 |
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sorry. I can't | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 11:12:51 |
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OK, lets (reluctantly) pound home the nail, | by adiplomat | 2004-01-13 10:23:21 |
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Read the other threads. I never said the "biggest" | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 10:30:23 |
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actually | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 10:52:38 |
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Well, I still say it is. | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 11:00:10 |
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with respect to always losing | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 11:03:22 |
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And it *was* achieved by force. | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 11:06:56 |
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but it wasnt achieved with violence | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 11:13:58 |
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sorry | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 11:23:01 |
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phew | by gibuu | 2004-01-13 11:31:42 |
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You realize how much... | by Ravenlock | 2004-01-13 19:24:08 |
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STOP CHANGING YOUR POSTULATES! | by adiplomat | 2004-01-13 11:19:37 |
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*shrug* | by subbywan | 2004-01-13 11:24:49 |
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put they wouldn't be able to have the freedom to | by woodchip | 2004-01-13 10:13:22 |
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s/put/but/ (n/t) | by woodchip | 2004-01-13 10:13:49 |
