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jimmy carter urges compassion for Mordor by tegan2006-11-19 12:55:59
  Actually I kinda agree with him. by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:22:57
    Oh please... by subbywan 2004-01-13 09:25:39
While I'm not a fan of "lets go to war off the bat", I firmly believe there are some people/situations that can ONLY be resolved violently/militarily.

You can only negotiate with someone who *wants* to negotiate.

People hate to admit it, but force/violence is the authority from which all other authority flows.
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      LOL! by Naruki2004-01-13 09:28:17
        Prove it by subbywan2004-01-13 09:30:30
          Ever heard of Gandhi? He did not have an army. (n/t) by LurkerMo2004-01-13 09:33:30
            And where is India today? by subbywan2004-01-13 09:36:11
              ?? its a different war by gibuu2004-01-13 09:56:50
                Which is exactly my point. by subbywan2004-01-13 09:58:59
                  the point is by gibuu2004-01-13 10:07:32
                  But that doesn't disprove... by BrainBug2004-01-13 10:15:14
                    Yep, we've won the debate. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:18:01
                    Ok, name another then. by woodchip2004-01-13 10:20:44
                      Well... by BrainBug2006-11-19 12:55:59
                    Amendment then *grin* by subbywan2004-01-13 10:21:53
                      Define "continuous", then. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:25:00
                        Ongoing. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:27:55
                          Horrible definition, considering. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:32:26
                      where does by gibuu2004-01-13 10:35:41
                        Good examples by subbywan2004-01-13 10:36:41
                          peace by gibuu2004-01-13 10:43:17
                            that is by gibuu2004-01-13 10:44:26
                            Peace is an ideal by subbywan2004-01-13 10:55:55
                              Are you sure about that? by gibuu2004-01-13 11:05:09
                                Fairly sure. yes. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:09:15
                                and you fight more than you do not? by gibuu2004-01-13 11:10:30
                                Myself, no. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:14:20
                                no but it does by gibuu2004-01-13 11:21:43
                                I'm a selfish person by subbywan2004-01-13 11:30:05
                          Neither does the military power by BrainBug2004-01-13 10:43:52
                          Why would that be a requirement? by tigermouse2004-01-13 10:44:28
                            Good point. I got side tracked :) (n/t) by subbywan2004-01-13 10:57:05
              Now you're confusing "authority" by Naruki2004-01-13 10:07:20
                Perhaps by subbywan2004-01-13 10:10:16
                  To which the only reasonable answer is... by Naruki2004-01-13 10:11:04
            Just because they had the courage to not by dire_lobo2004-01-13 10:08:59
              You are correct. "Satyagraha" in no way by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:37:23
          both of you step away from the palantir (n/t) by tegan2004-01-13 09:35:35
          Well technically the EU. by AndyA2004-01-13 09:38:30
            And the EU has just started legislation to up it's by subbywan2004-01-13 09:47:25
              One of the few times Im glad about the UK mob view by AndyA2004-01-13 09:57:24
              Germany is downsizing its military ATM (n/t) by Winsmith2004-01-13 10:48:14
                That's internally. The EU is pushing for by subbywan2004-01-13 10:58:03
          Half a billion Catholics listen to and obey by adiplomat2004-01-13 09:47:35
            And yet, we *still* have Catholics in the military by subbywan2004-01-13 09:50:51
            Yeah, because we all know the Revoloution had by woodchip2004-01-13 09:54:53
              Power was never specified. Being listened to by adiplomat2004-01-13 10:07:30
                And yet, in the end, by subbywan2004-01-13 10:11:29
                  Yeah, 70 year old Franklin humping over the snow. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:12:46
                    But it wasn't based in the *person* was it? :) by subbywan2004-01-13 10:15:07
                      don't forget the french. (n/t) by woodchip2004-01-13 10:18:19
                      Ha ha ha! by Naruki2004-01-13 10:18:56
                        No, the US authority was not based in by subbywan2004-01-13 10:22:48
                          Wasn't talking about the US authority. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:30:01
                            So it was force then, by your argument: by subbywan2004-01-13 10:32:55
                              force never ends wars by gibuu2004-01-13 10:38:04
                                Partially true. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:42:19
                                kinda like being almost pregnant? by gibuu2004-01-13 10:47:03
                                Until someone pulls out a gun by subbywan2004-01-13 10:53:24
                                well having the courage by gibuu2004-01-13 11:00:13
                                I never said violence solves all problems by subbywan2004-01-13 11:02:56
                                No of course not by gibuu2004-01-13 11:09:28
                                sorry. I can't by subbywan2004-01-13 11:12:51
                      OK, lets (reluctantly) pound home the nail, by adiplomat2004-01-13 10:23:21
                        Read the other threads. I never said the "biggest" by subbywan2004-01-13 10:30:23
                          actually by gibuu2004-01-13 10:52:38
                            Well, I still say it is. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:00:10
                              with respect to always losing by gibuu2004-01-13 11:03:22
                                And it *was* achieved by force. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:06:56
                                but it wasnt achieved with violence by gibuu2004-01-13 11:13:58
                                sorry by subbywan2004-01-13 11:23:01
                                phew by gibuu2004-01-13 11:31:42
                                You realize how much... by Ravenlock2004-01-13 19:24:08
                                STOP CHANGING YOUR POSTULATES! by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:19:37
                                *shrug* by subbywan2004-01-13 11:24:49
                put they wouldn't be able to have the freedom to by woodchip2004-01-13 10:13:22
                  s/put/but/ (n/t) by woodchip2004-01-13 10:13:49
          Your spouse perhaps? by BrainBug2004-01-13 10:05:51
            Agreed by subbywan2004-01-13 10:08:35
              All power fades in time. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:10:35
                If it's based in a person, absolutely. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:13:38
                  No, you are wrong. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:20:00
                    All Empires fall, but military continues by subbywan2004-01-13 10:25:00
                      Actually, force (as in armed force) is the visible by LurkerMo2004-01-13 11:21:20
                        I'll agree with that to a point. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:31:38
                          Look at the world around you. by LurkerMo2004-01-13 11:53:36
                            I agree by subbywan2004-01-13 12:02:51
      ...and thus, my hopes are destroyed :p (n/t) by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:29:23
        so don't put your hopes in peace, but put them in by woodchip2004-01-13 09:32:40
          true. hopes in "intelligent people" are senseless. (n/t) by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:33:51
            See, we can agree on things :) (n/t) by subbywan2004-01-13 09:36:50
      Very Starship troopers of you. (n/t) by AndyA2004-01-13 09:33:30
        Wonderful book. Wonderful philosophy by subbywan2004-01-13 09:38:01
          Now you're sounding like Enders Game. by AndyA2004-01-13 09:39:55
            wouldn't that be nice? :) by subbywan2004-01-13 09:43:03
              Stop reminding me of books. ;-) by AndyA2004-01-13 09:51:32
                *laughs* by subbywan2004-01-13 09:53:26
                  IIRC it was written pre-USSR collapse by AndyA2004-01-13 10:04:25
                    to any sane person yes. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:06:41
          Sounds like Nineteen eighty-four by Irrelevant2004-01-13 09:45:53
          I didnt read the book by gibuu2004-01-13 10:14:51
            The book is more of an examination by dire_lobo2004-01-13 10:27:15
            The movie and the book are very different by AndyA2004-01-13 10:34:31
      Peace thru superior firepower? by gibuu2004-01-13 09:47:49
        Why should it be the *only* incentive? by subbywan2004-01-13 09:52:04
          such as the biggest nuclear weapon. (n/t) by woodchip2004-01-13 09:56:28
            Or just the biggest number of smaller nukes. (n/t) by subbywan2004-01-13 09:57:00
          because if that is the source of your authority by gibuu2004-01-13 10:26:53
            People with the biggest guns don't usually by subbywan2004-01-13 10:37:26
              and yet by gibuu2004-01-13 10:55:43
                Morals are malleable. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:04:09
      ??? Why do you feel that "force" and "violence" by dire_lobo2004-01-13 10:23:31
        Because violence = force by subbywan2004-01-13 10:41:04
          You don't get it, do you? by NOLAWitch2004-01-13 10:52:56
            And how is peer pressure *not* force? by subbywan2004-01-13 11:04:52
              I think that point has been by gibuu2004-01-13 11:06:11
              And, of course truth is force by tigermouse2004-01-13 11:13:52
                Precisely. Subbywan is so desperate to "win", that by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:16:06
                  That's "tautology". Sorry, but work interfered by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:24:06
                    Wasn't work, for me. by Naruki2004-01-13 11:26:06
                      Thanks for sharing by tigermouse2004-01-13 11:29:59
                        Thus indicating that Naruki fissioned? :+) by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:32:05
                          "Ya lump, ya" is what started me going that way, by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:32:50
                  Uh, no. I posted "violent/force" by subbywan2004-01-13 11:32:56
          Huh??? by dire_lobo2004-01-13 11:47:04
            Sorry about that *grin* by subbywan2004-01-13 11:54:32

 

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