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jimmy carter urges compassion for Mordor by tegan 2006-11-19 12:55:59
sorry if this makes anyone's ears ring but it was just sent to me. good for a laugh.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20040106.shtml

"When I saw the audience in the movie theater cheer when Orcs were killed, I shuddered," Mr. Carter said, visibly pained. "The message of 'Lord of the Rings' is just plain bad."

"We must do something to counteract this celebration of violence," Mr. Carter said emphatically. "To see even trees fight and kill is enough to make any right-thinking person sick to his or her stomach.
[ Reply ]
  Wonder what bin laden would say about being by subbywan2004-01-13 09:19:25
    Hey! I never said there *wasn't* ... by ag_wyvern2004-01-13 09:26:54
  Actually I kinda agree with him. by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:22:57
    Oh please... by subbywan2004-01-13 09:25:39
      LOL! by Naruki2004-01-13 09:28:17
        Prove it by subbywan2004-01-13 09:30:30
          Ever heard of Gandhi? He did not have an army. (n/t) by LurkerMo2004-01-13 09:33:30
            And where is India today? by subbywan2004-01-13 09:36:11
              ?? its a different war by gibuu2004-01-13 09:56:50
                Which is exactly my point. by subbywan2004-01-13 09:58:59
                  the point is by gibuu2004-01-13 10:07:32
                  But that doesn't disprove... by BrainBug2004-01-13 10:15:14
                    Yep, we've won the debate. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:18:01
                    Ok, name another then. by woodchip2004-01-13 10:20:44
                      Well... by BrainBug2006-11-19 12:55:59
                    Amendment then *grin* by subbywan2004-01-13 10:21:53
                      Define "continuous", then. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:25:00
                        Ongoing. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:27:55
                          Horrible definition, considering. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:32:26
                      where does by gibuu2004-01-13 10:35:41
                        Good examples by subbywan2004-01-13 10:36:41
                          peace by gibuu2004-01-13 10:43:17
                            that is by gibuu2004-01-13 10:44:26
                            Peace is an ideal by subbywan2004-01-13 10:55:55
                              Are you sure about that? by gibuu2004-01-13 11:05:09
                                Fairly sure. yes. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:09:15
                                and you fight more than you do not? by gibuu2004-01-13 11:10:30
                                Myself, no. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:14:20
                                no but it does by gibuu2004-01-13 11:21:43
                                I'm a selfish person by subbywan2004-01-13 11:30:05
                          Neither does the military power by BrainBug2004-01-13 10:43:52
                          Why would that be a requirement? by tigermouse2004-01-13 10:44:28
                            Good point. I got side tracked :) (n/t) by subbywan2004-01-13 10:57:05
              Now you're confusing "authority" by Naruki2004-01-13 10:07:20
                Perhaps by subbywan2004-01-13 10:10:16
                  To which the only reasonable answer is... by Naruki2004-01-13 10:11:04
            Just because they had the courage to not by dire_lobo2004-01-13 10:08:59
              You are correct. "Satyagraha" in no way by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:37:23
          both of you step away from the palantir (n/t) by tegan2004-01-13 09:35:35
          Well technically the EU. by AndyA2004-01-13 09:38:30
            And the EU has just started legislation to up it's by subbywan2004-01-13 09:47:25
              One of the few times Im glad about the UK mob view by AndyA2004-01-13 09:57:24
              Germany is downsizing its military ATM (n/t) by Winsmith2004-01-13 10:48:14
                That's internally. The EU is pushing for by subbywan2004-01-13 10:58:03
          Half a billion Catholics listen to and obey by adiplomat2004-01-13 09:47:35
            And yet, we *still* have Catholics in the military by subbywan2004-01-13 09:50:51
            Yeah, because we all know the Revoloution had by woodchip2004-01-13 09:54:53
              Power was never specified. Being listened to by adiplomat2004-01-13 10:07:30
                And yet, in the end, by subbywan2004-01-13 10:11:29
                  Yeah, 70 year old Franklin humping over the snow. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:12:46
                    But it wasn't based in the *person* was it? :) by subbywan2004-01-13 10:15:07
                      don't forget the french. (n/t) by woodchip2004-01-13 10:18:19
                      Ha ha ha! by Naruki2004-01-13 10:18:56
                        No, the US authority was not based in by subbywan2004-01-13 10:22:48
                          Wasn't talking about the US authority. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:30:01
                            So it was force then, by your argument: by subbywan2004-01-13 10:32:55
                              force never ends wars by gibuu2004-01-13 10:38:04
                                Partially true. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:42:19
                                kinda like being almost pregnant? by gibuu2004-01-13 10:47:03
                                Until someone pulls out a gun by subbywan2004-01-13 10:53:24
                                well having the courage by gibuu2004-01-13 11:00:13
                                I never said violence solves all problems by subbywan2004-01-13 11:02:56
                                No of course not by gibuu2004-01-13 11:09:28
                                sorry. I can't by subbywan2004-01-13 11:12:51
                      OK, lets (reluctantly) pound home the nail, by adiplomat2004-01-13 10:23:21
                        Read the other threads. I never said the "biggest" by subbywan2004-01-13 10:30:23
                          actually by gibuu2004-01-13 10:52:38
                            Well, I still say it is. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:00:10
                              with respect to always losing by gibuu2004-01-13 11:03:22
                                And it *was* achieved by force. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:06:56
                                but it wasnt achieved with violence by gibuu2004-01-13 11:13:58
                                sorry by subbywan2004-01-13 11:23:01
                                phew by gibuu2004-01-13 11:31:42
                                You realize how much... by Ravenlock2004-01-13 19:24:08
                                STOP CHANGING YOUR POSTULATES! by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:19:37
                                *shrug* by subbywan2004-01-13 11:24:49
                put they wouldn't be able to have the freedom to by woodchip2004-01-13 10:13:22
                  s/put/but/ (n/t) by woodchip2004-01-13 10:13:49
          Your spouse perhaps? by BrainBug2004-01-13 10:05:51
            Agreed by subbywan2004-01-13 10:08:35
              All power fades in time. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:10:35
                If it's based in a person, absolutely. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:13:38
                  No, you are wrong. by Naruki2004-01-13 10:20:00
                    All Empires fall, but military continues by subbywan2004-01-13 10:25:00
                      Actually, force (as in armed force) is the visible by LurkerMo2004-01-13 11:21:20
                        I'll agree with that to a point. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:31:38
                          Look at the world around you. by LurkerMo2004-01-13 11:53:36
                            I agree by subbywan2004-01-13 12:02:51
      ...and thus, my hopes are destroyed :p (n/t) by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:29:23
        so don't put your hopes in peace, but put them in by woodchip2004-01-13 09:32:40
          true. hopes in "intelligent people" are senseless. (n/t) by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:33:51
            See, we can agree on things :) (n/t) by subbywan2004-01-13 09:36:50
      Very Starship troopers of you. (n/t) by AndyA2004-01-13 09:33:30
        Wonderful book. Wonderful philosophy by subbywan2004-01-13 09:38:01
          Now you're sounding like Enders Game. by AndyA2004-01-13 09:39:55
            wouldn't that be nice? :) by subbywan2004-01-13 09:43:03
              Stop reminding me of books. ;-) by AndyA2004-01-13 09:51:32
                *laughs* by subbywan2004-01-13 09:53:26
                  IIRC it was written pre-USSR collapse by AndyA2004-01-13 10:04:25
                    to any sane person yes. by subbywan2004-01-13 10:06:41
          Sounds like Nineteen eighty-four by Irrelevant2004-01-13 09:45:53
          I didnt read the book by gibuu2004-01-13 10:14:51
            The book is more of an examination by dire_lobo2004-01-13 10:27:15
            The movie and the book are very different by AndyA2004-01-13 10:34:31
      Peace thru superior firepower? by gibuu2004-01-13 09:47:49
        Why should it be the *only* incentive? by subbywan2004-01-13 09:52:04
          such as the biggest nuclear weapon. (n/t) by woodchip2004-01-13 09:56:28
            Or just the biggest number of smaller nukes. (n/t) by subbywan2004-01-13 09:57:00
          because if that is the source of your authority by gibuu2004-01-13 10:26:53
            People with the biggest guns don't usually by subbywan2004-01-13 10:37:26
              and yet by gibuu2004-01-13 10:55:43
                Morals are malleable. by subbywan2004-01-13 11:04:09
      ??? Why do you feel that "force" and "violence" by dire_lobo2004-01-13 10:23:31
        Because violence = force by subbywan2004-01-13 10:41:04
          You don't get it, do you? by NOLAWitch2004-01-13 10:52:56
            And how is peer pressure *not* force? by subbywan2004-01-13 11:04:52
              I think that point has been by gibuu2004-01-13 11:06:11
              And, of course truth is force by tigermouse2004-01-13 11:13:52
                Precisely. Subbywan is so desperate to "win", that by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:16:06
                  That's "tautology". Sorry, but work interfered by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:24:06
                    Wasn't work, for me. by Naruki2004-01-13 11:26:06
                      Thanks for sharing by tigermouse2004-01-13 11:29:59
                        Thus indicating that Naruki fissioned? :+) by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:32:05
                          "Ya lump, ya" is what started me going that way, by adiplomat2004-01-13 11:32:50
                  Uh, no. I posted "violent/force" by subbywan2004-01-13 11:32:56
          Huh??? by dire_lobo2004-01-13 11:47:04
            Sorry about that *grin* by subbywan2004-01-13 11:54:32
  Dennis Prager, the author of that artical by woodchip2004-01-13 09:25:06
  Did we read all the way to the end? by Zzyzzx2004-01-13 09:34:37
    oops, no. by Winsmith2004-01-13 09:35:50
  Well, I don't think that the situations are all by LurkerMo2004-01-13 09:37:31
    If he had... by Naruki2004-01-13 10:34:53
      If who had what? by LurkerMo2004-01-13 11:03:31
        If Bush had "stooped". by Naruki2004-01-13 11:46:52
          The end does not justify the means. by LurkerMo2004-01-13 11:59:19
            Only if you think the ends are similar. by Naruki2004-01-13 12:42:37
              The ends are similar. by LurkerMo2004-01-13 13:04:52
                No, they are not. by Naruki2004-01-13 13:25:39
                  how 'bout killing is wrong? (nt) by gibuu2004-01-13 13:35:03
                    Totally different discussion. by Naruki2004-01-13 13:52:40
                      I agree by gibuu2004-01-13 14:42:03
                        If you assumed that... by Naruki2004-01-13 14:50:26
                          of course I believe war is bad by gibuu2004-01-13 15:33:30
                            You're a moral absolutist, then. by Naruki2004-01-13 17:21:25
                              actually by gibuu2004-01-14 09:29:05
                The means justify the end by gibuu2004-01-13 13:33:00
  I'll never look at ROTC the same way again. by YakkoWarner2004-01-13 09:42:49

 

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