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The Right Reverend Bush is at it again by Blackbyrd22006-11-19 12:55:59
  I don't buy the "woman's life at risk" argument by crash_2003-11-06 05:28:35
    Why force a woman to undergo major surgery by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 06:00:22
      So it can grow up and be president someday? by NOLAWitch2003-11-06 06:04:53
        Anti-abortion != religion, fundamentalism. by walkon2003-11-06 06:53:45
          But religion, fundamentalism == anti-abortion. by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 07:09:43
            Then what's the standard? by walkon2003-11-06 08:33:10
              For a number of reasons. by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 09:17:38
                But... Those reasons would only convice someone by walkon2003-11-06 09:51:33
                  That's not something you're going to find. by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 11:27:32
                    If that standard doesn't exist, by walkon2003-11-06 12:50:46
                      They don't have a place in the public debate by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 14:23:30
                        Are we going in circles? by walkon2003-11-06 14:53:04
                          You're doing the sidestepping. by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 15:23:40
                            OK... by walkon2003-11-06 16:17:06
                              Just in case you check back.... by thewrongcrowd2003-11-06 19:07:02
                                And in case *you* do. by walkon 2003-11-07 00:39:33
I've been away for the last 8 hours or so.

I didn't bring up slavery in general over history. I asked a specific question about US legal tradition. You can't dodge it just by saying, "Uh... That's not relevant! Because, uh, because people used to do it differently. So... Yeah."

No, it's not a time. It takes place at a time. "18 years since birth" is a time. "9 months since conception" is a time. Length of pregnancy varies greatly, and if time is what you care about, "birth" creates a double standard--two babies are conceived the same night, one born 10 days before it's due, the other 10 days after. And yet, by your standard, even though they've existed the exact same amount of time, one is a person and the other isn't.

"the idea of publicly acknowledged stages of human development are indeed universal."

I didn't say it wasn't; I said "varying degrees of personhood". A minor has just as much right to live as a legal adult. In that regard, personhood is binary.
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                                Breaking this up.. by thewrongcrowd2003-11-07 07:57:31

 

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