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The Right Reverend Bush is at it again | by Blackbyrd2 | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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I don't buy the "woman's life at risk" argument | by crash_ | 2003-11-06 05:28:35 |
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Why force a woman to undergo major surgery | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 06:00:22 |
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So it can grow up and be president someday? | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 06:04:53 |
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Anti-abortion != religion, fundamentalism. | by walkon | 2003-11-06 06:53:45 |
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But religion, fundamentalism == anti-abortion. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 07:09:43 |
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Then what's the standard? | by walkon | 2003-11-06 08:33:10 |
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For a number of reasons. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 09:17:38 |
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But... Those reasons would only convice someone | by walkon | 2003-11-06 09:51:33 |
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That's not something you're going to find. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 11:27:32 |
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If that standard doesn't exist, | by walkon | 2003-11-06 12:50:46 |
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They don't have a place in the public debate | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 14:23:30 |
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Are we going in circles? | by walkon | 2003-11-06 14:53:04 |
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You're doing the sidestepping. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 15:23:40 |
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by walkon |
2003-11-06 16:17:06 |
So, do you agree that the personhood of the fetus the important question?
I brought up slavery as a counter-example of "long legal history". I think I drew out the parallels sufficiently. If it's not a valid counter-example, why? What's the difference?
Birth is not a time. It's a process. If time were the only question, the standard could be expressed as a specific number of days after conception. When you hold birth as the standard, you're saying that passing through the birth canal and having one's umbilical cord cut makes one a person. That's what I haven't seen a rational defense of, yet.
As for time in general confering personhood: the idea of "more of a person" is somewhat slippery, and by no means universally accepted. Age of majory isn't based on being more of a person; competence to self-determine isn't a matter of personhood. Maybe it's part of your definition of "person", but the two not fundamentally tied together in the legal system, to my knowledge. You seem to be connecting adulthood with degree of personhood. Why?
Incidentally, thank you for explaining why you think birth is a rational dividing line. That's what I was asking; all you said at first was, it's clearly demarcated. |
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Just in case you check back.... | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 19:07:02 |
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And in case *you* do. | by walkon | 2003-11-07 00:39:33 |
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Breaking this up.. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-07 07:57:31 |
