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The Right Reverend Bush is at it again | by Blackbyrd2 | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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I don't buy the "woman's life at risk" argument | by crash_ | 2003-11-06 05:28:35 |
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Why force a woman to undergo major surgery | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 06:00:22 |
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So it can grow up and be president someday? | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 06:04:53 |
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Anti-abortion != religion, fundamentalism. | by walkon | 2003-11-06 06:53:45 |
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But religion, fundamentalism == anti-abortion. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 07:09:43 |
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Then what's the standard? | by walkon | 2003-11-06 08:33:10 |
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For a number of reasons. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 09:17:38 |
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But... Those reasons would only convice someone | by walkon | 2003-11-06 09:51:33 |
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That's not something you're going to find. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 11:27:32 |
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If that standard doesn't exist, | by walkon | 2003-11-06 12:50:46 |
| They don't have a place in the public debate |
by thewrongcrowd |
2003-11-06 14:23:30 |
if their position of argument is religious and ignorant of the facts, as is the case with opposition to D&X. And despite your athiest friends, that covers 99.9% (statistic pulled out of my big white behind) of abortion opponents.<br<br>
"...the mother is a person, and the fetus is not. You can't uphold the right to self-determination as the standard when you're trying to remove that right from someone else." You almost got that right. The mother is a person, the fetus is not and that negates your next sentence. If abortion opponents want to argue that a fetus is a person they need to come up with a better argument than "it's a baby," which is no argument at all.
The U.S. has a long legal history of determining that the fetus is not a person. It's only been recently with the insertion of religious arguments that that has been challenged. With that as the status quo, it's up to the abortion opponents to prove personhood of the fetus not the other way around.
Sure, 83 days as a bright line is fine with me. Heck, some civilizations have defined the bright line as 365 and any death up to that is of no legal consequence.
If it's not cruel to force someone to risk their life (which is what pregnancy can be) for your personal belief system, how would you describe it? |
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Are we going in circles? | by walkon | 2003-11-06 14:53:04 |
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You're doing the sidestepping. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 15:23:40 |
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OK... | by walkon | 2003-11-06 16:17:06 |
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Just in case you check back.... | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-06 19:07:02 |
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And in case *you* do. | by walkon | 2003-11-07 00:39:33 |
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Breaking this up.. | by thewrongcrowd | 2003-11-07 07:57:31 |
