| An Issue of Responsibility |
by Illiad |
2003-11-06 08:30:47 |
| All of the discussion regarding abortion the last couple or so days brought to mind a hypothetical that is, sadly, not all that hypothetical.
Say two consenting adults get together and have sexual intercourse. Say the woman is on birth control pills and the man is using a condom. Both agreed beforehand that they don't want a child together, and in fact don't want children right now anyway.
For whatever reason, it turns out that the woman gets pregnant by the man despite the precautions taken. The woman decides to keep the child without inviting input from the father. The question: is the man fiscally responsible for the child? |
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Alas, by most US state laws no; morally always. (n/t) | by Tran | 2003-11-06 08:33:16 |
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alas? | by siliconghost | 2003-11-06 08:36:53 |
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Interesting Observations... | by nelzie | 2003-11-06 08:55:05 |
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even teh surgery isnt 100 percent. | by siliconghost | 2003-11-06 09:04:58 |
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Hey! Lucky you! (n/t) | by nelzie | 2003-11-06 10:11:13 |
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Then a further question: | by Illiad | 2003-11-06 08:48:23 |
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if hes determined to be responsible. | by siliconghost | 2003-11-06 08:54:50 |
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Yes, with the following caveat: | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 11:47:25 |
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yes | by Reddy | 2003-11-06 16:11:00 |
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Checked my facts after posting | by Tran | 2003-11-06 08:49:32 |
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I was told by UK law they are always | by Celticess | 2003-11-06 09:12:23 |
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Legally I think the answer is yes ... | by cristobal | 2003-11-06 08:35:49 |
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Tough call... | by DesertRat66 | 2003-11-06 08:38:34 |
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Exactly | by theanomaly | 2003-11-06 08:51:32 |
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IMO no. | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 08:40:19 |
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In Michigan... | by nelzie | 2003-11-06 09:04:26 |
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Hang on.... | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 09:36:40 |
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But, | by buddha | 2003-11-06 09:44:51 |
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I'm not talking about what "has"... | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 09:53:45 |
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Even taking abortion out of the picture | by buddha | 2003-11-06 10:05:45 |
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Again, legally, he does not have that choice. | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 10:10:50 |
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Ethically, the child could not exist without that | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 11:02:01 |
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Thinking about it | by buddha | 2003-11-06 13:32:48 |
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;-) (n/t) | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 15:59:57 |
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No. | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 10:53:23 |
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That's what makes the most sense to me, too. (n/t) | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 10:59:03 |
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Read my replies to others - | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 11:00:42 |
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Ethically I would agree with you. Except for | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 11:04:10 |
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She did choose, though | by Arman X | 2003-11-06 11:18:10 |
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NO! | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 12:06:36 |
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Violently opposed. NO back at you. | by Ravenlock | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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Agreed | by Arman X | 2003-11-06 12:31:53 |
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Wrong. | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 13:01:08 |
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It is a legally valid option. | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 13:22:22 |
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Some feel it is ethically valid too. | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 13:28:36 |
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I have. I wonder... | by Ravenlock | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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Who said the debate was closed? | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 13:46:04 |
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That's what was not clear - thank you. :) | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 13:52:28 |
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I thought as much from your last post. | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 14:04:40 |
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True, but | by Arman X | 2003-11-06 14:01:58 |
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Nope. | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 14:13:18 |
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No, it's not | by Arman X | 2003-11-06 15:12:21 |
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Why should he pay for her decision? | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 15:22:35 |
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Hmmm... | by shrapnel | 2003-11-06 08:47:55 |
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Legally? | by nelzie | 2003-11-06 08:50:33 |
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in canada? legally yes unless the mother | by Celticess | 2003-11-06 09:08:32 |
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I remember a real case... | by TheGM | 2003-11-06 09:29:17 |
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Sex is an assumed-risk activity. | by kelli217 | 2003-11-06 09:09:24 |
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Maybe Lloyds of London will offer | by buddha | 2003-11-06 09:32:28 |
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Wonderful idea! | by TheGM | 2003-11-06 09:43:03 |
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Wait a minute! Who says that monetary | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 09:47:31 |
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Isn't it what it is about? | by buddha | 2003-11-06 09:53:55 |
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There have been many cases where | by Tomo | 2003-11-06 09:55:59 |
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Actually, | by TheGM | 2003-11-06 10:24:31 |
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Oops. Please clarify who exactly would purchase | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 10:30:41 |
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But it would be very cool if it did | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 11:52:10 |
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I would certainly consider it. | by TheGM | 2003-11-06 15:23:30 |
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Why do you ask? | by crash_ | 2003-11-06 09:10:15 |
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Bwahahaha!! | by Illiad | 2003-11-06 09:23:35 |
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I assume you've seen the Disney Cruise commercial? | by YakkoWarner | 2003-11-06 09:52:40 |
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LOL (n/t) | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:01:33 |
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That happens all the time. Legally, he's | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 09:20:49 |
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Fuzzy indeed | by Illiad | 2003-11-06 09:24:48 |
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I'd really like to see a lawsuit occur that | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 09:29:06 |
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when I first read the original post | by plblark | 2003-11-06 09:45:58 |
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Grrr! People tampering with others' birth control | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 09:49:52 |
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actually... | by plblark | 2003-11-06 09:52:05 |
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She's a ditz and a dipwad for lying about being a | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 09:53:41 |
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sadly, | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:00:54 |
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too bad she didn't know | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 11:58:05 |
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I think it was more than a one day slip-up... (n/t) | by plblark | 2003-11-06 12:01:05 |
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The word "ditz" bears repeating then. (n/t) | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 12:04:35 |
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I think "ditz" is too soft a word (n/t) | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 12:07:45 |
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True, but the one I was thinking isn't FYOS safe. (n/t) | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 12:13:29 |
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I believe that would... | by nelzie | 2003-11-06 12:45:13 |
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it's the pill with | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 12:53:37 |
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Ethically, who should be then? | by Ravenlock | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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The point is that they were both using | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 09:52:01 |
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Ah. Okay. Given your... | by Ravenlock | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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arrgghhh conflicted... | by plblark | 2003-11-06 09:57:44 |
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No they didn't take all the precautions they could | by Patch | 2003-11-06 10:12:27 |
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well... | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:14:42 |
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See, here's the thing. | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 10:18:36 |
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see, we agree. | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:29:55 |
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Fair 'nuff. | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 10:33:03 |
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Abortion _is_ "payment" | by JohnClarke | 2003-11-06 10:32:02 |
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and who is ultimately paying? | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:34:44 |
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Oh, the woman pays alright. | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 10:39:47 |
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agreed | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:56:09 |
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Missed opportunity alright. It will miss the | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 11:08:23 |
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again, I can see your point | by plblark | 2003-11-06 11:18:31 |
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Anyone read Brave New World? (n/t) | by Arman X | 2003-11-06 11:23:43 |
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How about a test as we have to drive? | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 11:26:42 |
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thankfully, my parents were great | by plblark | 2003-11-06 11:33:23 |
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The driving test has a practical section | by JohnClarke | 2003-11-06 11:33:45 |
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You know those dolls they give high school | by NOLAWitch | 2003-11-06 12:03:48 |
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How about some combination of time spent | by Nea | 2003-11-06 12:31:18 |
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If parenting requires a license | by JohnClarke | 2003-11-06 11:29:39 |
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see, those are all valid reasons | by plblark | 2003-11-06 11:35:29 |
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Maybe at puberty everybody banks ova or sperm | by JohnClarke | 2003-11-06 11:53:42 |
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funny, | by plblark | 2003-11-06 12:00:07 |
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NO method of contraception | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 12:06:28 |
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Actually... | by Arman X | 2003-11-06 15:15:14 |
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And now and then she pays her life | by JohnClarke | 2003-11-06 11:18:13 |
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it's wierd | by plblark | 2003-11-06 11:29:06 |
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I don't think you have your history right | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 12:14:26 |
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it's completely possible | by plblark | 2003-11-06 12:46:31 |
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this should help | by voxwoman | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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and we're both right :) | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 13:00:59 |
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It isn't always the woman who | by buddha | 2003-11-06 13:06:01 |
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Zing. Clearly I need... | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 10:37:37 |
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Sure, however, there is still that chance | by Patch | 2003-11-06 10:21:17 |
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EXACTLY!!! | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 11:54:45 |
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I have to say: Ufies are the greatest | by plblark | 2003-11-06 10:36:38 |
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Work shift over, gotta head home - | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 11:04:12 |
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Okay - to LM, Nola, et al - | by Ravenlock | 2003-11-06 11:50:01 |
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Only up to the birth. | by BloodyViking | 2003-11-06 11:12:52 |
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that's the problem with humans... | by leistico | 2003-11-06 11:36:19 |
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not quite, not anymore | by voxwoman | 2003-11-06 12:50:38 |
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Not to stir things up or anything, but | by LurkerMo | 2003-11-06 12:35:28 |
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That should depend on whether he decides | by SaleGamine | 2003-11-06 13:57:07 |
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Legally? Or morally? | by Morely | 2003-11-06 15:34:47 |
