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UFie Ethics 101 by Naruki2006-11-19 12:55:59
  85 by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 09:47:16
    Regarding drugs by bitflipper2003-06-02 10:03:14
      Answer by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 10:10:07
        Good answer by bitflipper 2003-06-02 10:29:16
You're quite right; actions and choices may be ethical or not, but substances do not have an ethic to which they could adhere. But, let's make the pat answers a little more difficult...

Let us assume you are getting responsibly stoned in the privacy of your own burrow -- maybe a little nibble on a bit of cannabis or something. No one's getting hurt. You're not even over-indulging -- just a little something to put a grin on your face. C'est cool? Now, in comes Fiver and he is in a fit! Men are coming, with dogs and poison gas! The crisis is at hand.

Now comes the question: was it ethical for you to choose to indulge in a substance that you knew beforehand would impare your ability to think sharply and react quickly even though it was at the time causing harm to neither you nor anyone else? The result, now that the unexpected has arisen, is that you are not able to respond to the crisis with your complete abilities. That might cost you your life, and it might take some of your warren-mates with you, too.
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          Consider this as well. by LurkerMo2003-06-02 10:32:47
            Bovine excrement. by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 10:38:21
              There are two aspects of drugs that you are by LurkerMo2003-06-02 10:48:51
                Enhancement vs. alteration by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 11:07:55
                  Enhancement is not an alteration? GO ON!!!! by LurkerMo2003-06-02 11:11:55
                    Alter: to make, change or become different by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 11:28:41
                      Not evil, no. But unethical? by LurkerMo2003-06-02 12:09:16
                        See there! You finally got to the crux. by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 12:19:08
                          ;-) by LurkerMo2003-06-02 12:26:37
                            Logical fallacies. I know myself better than you by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 12:52:04
                              Well, this IS a discussion about ethics. by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:18:59
                                But but but! by tigermouse2003-06-02 13:22:38
                                Perfect Pepsi! (n/t) by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:29:12
                                Ack! Never! by tigermouse2003-06-02 13:43:10
                                I drink an ice cold beer with hot pizza. (n/t) by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 13:45:26
                                Ethics cannot be imposed on people. by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 13:39:58
                                How do children learn ethics? And what by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:54:20
              actually it can by Celticess2003-06-02 10:49:00
                There is a difference between use and abuse. by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 11:11:42
                  You know tho I wish the subgroup by Celticess2003-06-02 11:29:51
                    That would require them to have critical by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 11:33:15
                      They must be on their tongues, then... by Naruki2003-06-02 11:38:24
                        LOL! Like the tongues of Chow breed dogs! by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 11:41:25
            So does college . . . by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 10:41:26
              I did say 'recreational' drugs. Drugs that by LurkerMo2003-06-02 10:50:37
                Nor exactly by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 11:00:51
                  I would question your motives for wanting by LurkerMo2003-06-02 11:04:58
                    Painful shyness for one by SaleGamine2003-06-02 12:03:45
                      There is also the question of addiction by bitflipper2003-06-02 12:16:20
                        Neither, that is not my decision to make by SaleGamine2003-06-02 12:20:58
                      This is an example of a recreational drug by LurkerMo2003-06-02 12:23:03
                        There is not deep trauma involved by SaleGamine2003-06-02 12:54:33
                          And I say shyness is not a natural state by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:28:23
                            Bullwads. by McNutcase2003-06-02 13:33:33
                              Have you ever seen a child approach another? by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:37:02
                                Fine. Let's all sit in caves wearing bearskins. by McNutcase2003-06-02 13:41:05
                                And remember he shouldn't be eating by SaleGamine2003-06-02 13:44:15
                                strictly, so can breathing by McNutcase2003-06-02 13:46:16
                                Who are you and what have you done with McNutCase? (n/t) by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 13:47:49
                                McNutCase never existed. by McNutcase2003-06-02 13:50:43
                                Yes, I have by Nea2003-06-02 13:53:59
                                Out of curiosity - when you get a bit tipsy - by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:57:59
                                It's not easy to get me tipsy by Nea2003-06-02 14:10:07
                                You're a Weeble? by Naruki2003-06-02 14:16:22
                                Nope, by Nea2003-06-02 14:41:56
                                You're scary... by Naruki2003-06-02 15:10:38
                                'Cause it's raining? by Nea2003-06-02 15:20:46
                              No, it is by mirage2003-06-02 14:41:32
                                But that example shows... by Nea2003-06-02 14:47:44
                                Huh? by mirage2003-06-02 15:00:37
                                Sorry, I got confused by Nea2003-06-02 15:13:38
                                Natural by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 15:23:44
                                I firmly believe that if shyness were a natural by LurkerMo2003-06-02 15:24:53
                                Well then that's another point by Nea2003-06-02 15:33:19
                                I'm the same way. ;p (n/t) by mirage2003-06-02 15:38:33
                                Yeah by mirage2003-06-02 15:35:35
                    Accepting your phrase of by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 12:24:20
                      I'd be happy to. by LurkerMo2003-06-02 12:32:09
                        How does honesty by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 12:44:04
                          When you have a drink and relax - do you by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:35:07
                            Precisely how... by McNutcase2003-06-02 13:36:48
                              No, I'm responding to Hyzenthlay. by LurkerMo2003-06-02 13:38:20
                                No, you are muddling definitions to "prove" your by Naruki2003-06-02 14:14:43
                                Thank you by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 14:18:42
                                My definitions aren't muddled. They are very by LurkerMo2003-06-02 15:02:00
                                Here's your mistake: by Naruki2003-06-02 15:08:50
                                Did you take a potty break while those by LurkerMo2003-06-02 15:18:57
                                If you continue to be abrasive... by Naruki2003-06-02 15:51:23
                                I will be abrasive as long as you are unable by LurkerMo2003-06-02 16:50:15
                                Okay, monkey boy, play time is over. by Naruki2003-06-02 16:58:22
                                You're wrong, Naruki... by Route2003-06-02 19:38:03
                                No you haven't by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 15:51:56
                                Wait a second by Route2003-06-02 19:33:53
                            Of course not, by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 13:55:06
          The same case could be made against the booze by NOLAWitch2003-06-02 10:33:24
            Exactly by bitflipper2003-06-02 10:56:33
            Also take the fact by SaleGamine2003-06-02 11:57:22
          Well by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 10:37:55
            Far more important, yes; however... by bitflipper2003-06-02 13:53:24
              Ethics aside - why is it pleasurable to be by LurkerMo2003-06-02 14:06:53
                Good for you! by Naruki2003-06-02 14:08:13
                  I agree. But weren't we talking ethics here? by LurkerMo2003-06-02 15:11:59
                    You are STILL mistaken. by Naruki2003-06-02 15:15:10
                      Stop that! by LurkerMo2003-06-02 15:36:13
                        No, that's also incorrect. by Naruki2003-06-02 15:48:32
                          *Sigh* get your threads in order. by LurkerMo2003-06-02 16:44:20
                            Can you count? Good, then start counting... by Naruki2003-06-02 16:56:48
                I used to enjoy it quite a bit myself... by bitflipper2003-06-02 14:18:00
                  As an aside by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 14:27:50
                    Why do you think it's not using them? by McNutcase2003-06-02 14:29:52
                      Sadly by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 14:35:32
              Then if you are to be ethical by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 14:14:45
                I think we may be using "ethical" differently by bitflipper2003-06-02 14:35:37
                  But I am saying by hyzenthlay2003-06-02 14:44:47
          A bit over the top there by SaleGamine2003-06-02 11:46:28
            Well, o-kay; maybe a bit extreme by bitflipper2003-06-02 14:09:18

 

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