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Anyone else agree? by SparkyR 2006-11-19 12:55:59
"And these same people that tolerate the real violence of war don't want to see the result of it on the nightly news. Unlike the rest of the world, our news coverage of this war remains sanitized, without a glimpse of the blood and gore inflicted upon our soldiers or the women and children in Iraq. Violence as a concept, an abstraction -- it's very strange.

As we applaud the hard-edged realism of the opening battle scene of "Saving Private Ryan," we cringe at the thought of seeing the same on the nightly news. We are told it would be pornographic. We want no part of reality in real life. We demand that war be painstakingly realized on the screen, but that war remain imagined and conceptualized in real life. "

An excerpt from
Text of Tim Robbins speech
Transcript of actor's address to National Press Club
Link to whole article here
[ Reply ]
  And don't forget! by LionsPhil2003-04-17 10:22:27
    Only you would know, LP. by SparkyR2003-04-17 10:27:48
      No, I did actually mean my post. by LionsPhil2003-04-17 10:30:42
    Aw, man... by Illiad2003-04-17 10:31:33
      Yeah, ok, "stupid" wasn't fair. by LionsPhil2003-04-17 10:33:47
        An easier way to look at it is by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:05:53
          Yeeesss... by LionsPhil2003-04-17 11:10:50
            Agreed to a point by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:23:13
  Wasn't Tim Robbins by desertrat662003-04-17 10:24:23
    Dude... by Illiad2003-04-17 10:27:16
      Illustrating the absurd by DesertRat662003-04-17 10:56:03
        Talk about absurd. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:03:14
          Sparky, I think you misread desertrat by bitflipper2003-04-17 11:07:39
            Nope. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:14:31
              *grins* by bitflipper2003-04-17 11:26:13
                yes, I agree. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:41:58
                  I do believe by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:46:46
                    that would be amazing indeed. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:54:40
                      the answer by DesertRat662003-04-17 12:11:50
                        Hey, we hang out here with you. by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 12:37:43
                          Methinks all that newting has affected your brain by desertrat662003-04-17 12:44:31
                            You're assuming, though, that Robbins by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 12:50:04
                              He's an actor isn't he? by DesertRat662003-04-17 13:23:23
                                So are Charlton Heston and Ronald Reagan. by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 13:28:46
                                Ah but they are not working actors by desertrat662003-04-17 14:17:06
                                Really? Where? by Naruki2003-04-17 14:19:39
                                Of course not by Nea2003-04-17 15:15:18
                                Time for a new law by SparkyR2003-04-17 13:56:09
                                It also seems to me that the majority by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 14:00:41
                                I thought you were really funny... by Naruki2003-04-17 14:07:48
                                When was the last time by desertrat662003-04-17 14:15:11
                                ROFLMAO by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:16:58
                                Nice, real nice by desertrat662003-04-17 14:21:53
                                This is degenerating rapidly by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 14:32:33
                                You spout a lot, but refuse to be informed by Naruki2003-04-17 14:35:39
                                Nope. Not because Arnold is an by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:42:15
                              I think you missed a bit back there. by BloodyViking2003-04-17 13:38:54
                                You did NOT read the article. by Naruki2003-04-17 13:51:05
                                I did read much, and skimmed the rest. by BloodyViking2003-04-17 13:57:02
                                Granted that Mr. Robbin's claims by bitflipper2003-04-17 13:58:34
                                It depends on whether by BloodyViking2003-04-17 14:11:03
                                I don't dispute their right to do so... by bitflipper2003-04-17 14:22:46
                                Who made the announcement public? by BloodyViking2003-04-17 14:30:56
                                Good questions. by bitflipper2003-04-17 14:52:55
                                No. I only know what has been presented here. by BloodyViking2003-04-17 15:00:28
                        The reply by SparkyR2003-04-17 13:30:36
          *sigh* by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:09:20
            *sigh* guess you don't either. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:24:08
        Nyet by Illiad2003-04-17 11:04:12
          You can start by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:16:59
            Are they American Communists? by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 11:20:41
              Communism is anti-American! by LionsPhil2003-04-17 11:22:22
              When you consider by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:26:05
                If this country decided to elect Communists, by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 11:30:10
                  Apples Oranges by DesertRat662003-04-17 11:40:34
                    "Revolution calling..." by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:49:14
                      In case you missed it by DesertRat662003-04-17 12:00:51
                        Precisely why we need organizations like the NRA by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:02:10
                          Uh, not quite by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:14:18
                            they can't stay in tanks forever.... (n/t) by rottweiler2003-04-17 12:19:42
                            Problem is by DesertRat662003-04-17 12:20:48
                              If the well-informed by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:50:43
                                Yeah, do y'all want Blind FrogBoy by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 12:51:56
                                Are you saying blind frogboy will be able to find by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:54:13
                                Ok, frogboy, we believe you. (n/t) by SparkyR2003-04-17 13:06:50
                                Well informed by DesertRat662003-04-17 13:28:41
                                that's why we need to spend by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:14:43
                                Indeed by desertrat662006-11-19 12:55:59
                            Different priorities by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:22:15
                              Doh! by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:25:39
                              I'd rather have a well-informed citizenry. by NOLAWitch2003-04-17 12:36:37
                                That is also necessary, in both directions by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:40:57
                            Besides, Patrick Swayze proved it would work. by JPaganel2003-04-17 12:26:44
                          for this paranoid cynic, please make that by tnglives2003-04-17 12:16:03
                            My friend, I agree it's daunting. by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:43:56
                        heavens to Betsy, no! by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:16:42
                          Well you needn't worry by slacktime2003-04-17 12:18:42
                            Now you're inebriated. by Naruki2003-04-17 12:25:23
                              I disagree, he makes a valid point about rewarding by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:28:57
                                'Cause all terrorists "demands" by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:36:29
                                No, but every society has flaws by slacktime2003-04-17 12:44:17
                                C'mon slacktime by SparkyR2003-04-17 13:45:04
                                Funny that by slacktime2003-04-17 13:54:36
                                My friend. by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:10:04
                                Time to quibble by bitflipper2003-04-17 14:20:03
                                They're *all* jokes. by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:28:49
                                Crimes may be understandable... by bitflipper2003-04-17 14:45:45
                                I didn't say that by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:45:40
                                Now? You seem to think acts of terrorism are new. by Naruki2003-04-17 13:16:36
                                Excuse the phrase "terror tactics" by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 14:13:38
                                So, if neither side begins by SparkyR2003-04-17 13:52:56
                              My statement by slacktime2003-04-17 12:40:20
                                Dude, you're still out? by Naruki2003-04-17 13:02:03
                                Okay so by slacktime2003-04-17 13:16:12
                                See, here's where you miss the details. by Naruki2003-04-17 13:21:12
                                ok let's assume you are a great guy by slacktime2003-04-17 13:30:54
                                Get over yourself already. by Naruki2003-04-17 13:38:39
                                You get over your stupid obsession by slacktime2003-04-17 13:41:58
                                I never HAD that obsession. by Naruki2003-04-17 13:53:09
                                But you refuse to acknowledge the concept by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 14:08:26
                                You refuse to bend to good sense. by Naruki2003-04-17 14:15:44
                                People scream when we're active in world affairs by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 14:29:39
                                Apples to oranges. ;-) by Naruki2003-04-17 14:41:05
                    You're the only one doing that. by Naruki2003-04-17 12:08:40
                      We ain't got no bananas! (n/t) by LionsPhil2003-04-17 12:12:16
                      Naruki... by DesertRat662003-04-17 12:16:07
                        Got proof? by Naruki2003-04-17 12:27:10
                          yeah, wasn't T. McVeigh by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:28:48
                            Don't worry SparkyR by desertrat662003-04-17 14:28:48
                              I'm just turning the other cheek, by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:43:58
                          The ones who follow the Communist Manifesto by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:31:58
                            Bingo by desertrat662003-04-17 12:34:53
                            hmmm by slacktime2003-04-17 12:54:52
                Don't know anything about by slacktime2003-04-17 11:34:19
    They haven't finished installing the 'showers' by LionsPhil2003-04-17 10:27:55
    funny you should mention this. by SparkyR2003-04-17 10:32:47
      Used to revere I'm afraid by SaleGamine2003-04-17 10:37:37
        Doesn't have to be! by SparkyR2003-04-17 10:43:37
          Heh, by LionsPhil2003-04-17 10:45:50
            yes, I understand the humour LP by SparkyR2003-04-17 10:56:18
              Yes, there's a serious side. by LionsPhil2003-04-17 11:01:28
                Speaking Greek to me, my friend. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:09:05
                  Quantum Mechanics is easier to grasp by bitflipper2003-04-17 11:11:04
                    Quantum Mechanics are easier to grasp by LionsPhil2003-04-17 11:19:54
                      Yeah, in QM's there are *laws*. :) (n/t) by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:28:29
                        I thought they were more like guidelines? (n/t) by Vetitice2003-04-17 11:54:22
                  Honestly don't know. by LionsPhil2003-04-17 11:16:04
                Tell you what by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 11:33:59
                  Not bloody likely. ;) (n/t) by LionsPhil2003-04-17 12:14:56
                    Darn ;) by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 12:34:25
              But LP had a point there by SaleGamine2003-04-17 11:03:51
                So typical US ignorance is rearing by bitflipper2003-04-17 11:16:41
                And I feel bad for them by slacktime2003-04-17 11:17:40
                  Sorry, that's something I don't get by SaleGamine2003-04-17 11:27:21
                    well, it is a popular fallacy by slacktime2003-04-17 11:43:47
        Not entirely by bitflipper2003-04-17 11:03:16
          Well said. by theymustbidiots2003-04-17 11:43:58
      Agreed. by Naruki2003-04-17 10:37:55
      See my other post this thread. (n/t) by DesertRat662003-04-17 10:58:09
  I don't know ... by slacktime2003-04-17 10:45:49
    Then why aren't you angry now? by Naruki2003-04-17 10:49:19
      Because I am a simpleton and I believe by slacktime2003-04-17 10:53:37
        You're not a simpleton, and you're by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:21:41
          Tell me what conclusions I'm avoiding? (n/t) by slacktime2003-04-17 11:25:21
            I can't presume to know. by SparkyR2003-04-17 11:33:45
              Well best I can tell at this point... by slacktime2003-04-17 12:12:17
                In conclusion, by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:23:53
                  Mixed reaction by slacktime2003-04-17 12:33:50
                    balance is good. by SparkyR2003-04-17 12:38:42
          But then should by hyzenthlay2003-04-17 11:27:18
            I say yes. by BloodyViking2003-04-17 13:47:57
        Sorry, you don't get off the hook that easily by SaleGamine2003-04-17 11:43:29
  yeah... that's where I form my political opinions by rottweiler2003-04-17 11:39:24
  His speech disturbs me by hyzenthlay2003-04-17 11:56:14
  Damn, that's a good speech. by Naruki2003-04-17 13:51:53
    The great thing is, by SparkyR2003-04-17 13:58:59
    No it isn't. by BloodyViking2003-04-17 13:59:20
      *sigh*. without going into it all again, by SparkyR2003-04-17 14:02:15
      I think you're a bad liar. by Naruki2003-04-17 14:06:34
        Right here. About 12 paragraphs down. by BloodyViking2003-04-17 14:15:35
          Thanks for proving me right. by Naruki2003-04-17 14:33:14
            Conceded. by BloodyViking2006-11-19 12:55:59
              You're right. by Naruki2003-04-17 20:00:17
      But give him his due by bitflipper2003-04-17 14:07:23
  The banner ad at the bottom of that article by BlurOfSerenity2003-04-17 14:24:07

 

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