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Why would God create Hell? by Naruki2003-02-27 10:47:32
  Do you want an honest answer? by Buffy_Fett2003-02-27 10:58:05
    Hey Buffy by Egaeus2006-11-19 12:55:59
      I wasn't following that debate today by Buffy_Fett2003-02-27 11:36:15
        How do you know it hurts Him? by Naruki2003-02-27 11:42:57
          An example by Buffy_Fett2003-02-27 11:49:24
            I cannot see a loving God by Egaeus2003-02-27 11:51:27
              If we were all meant to go to Heaven by Buffy_Fett2003-02-27 11:53:48
                Omniscience and omnipotence by Egaeus2003-02-27 11:56:50
                  Matter of perspective by Buffy_Fett2003-02-27 12:23:51
                    But my choice was predetermined by Egaeus2003-02-27 12:37:28
                      But do you know what the choices are? by Buffy_Fett2003-02-27 12:42:34
                        Doesn't matter by Egaeus2003-02-27 12:56:36
                          Your choices weren't made by God. by YakkoWarner2003-02-27 13:09:53
                            By creating the universe by Egaeus2003-02-27 13:20:10
                              Not at all. by YakkoWarner2003-02-27 13:25:37
                                BIG difference: by randomman2003-02-27 13:31:43
                                I think I see the flaw in your arguments. by YakkoWarner2003-02-27 13:49:53
                                I see by randomman2003-02-27 14:12:48
                                Well, it makes sense, for one thing. by YakkoWarner2003-02-27 14:28:54
                                Well... by randomman2003-02-27 14:59:22
                                I don't see that it does. by YakkoWarner2003-02-27 15:35:41
                                I'm evidently not conveying what I mean well by randomman 2003-02-27 17:30:04
The problem is that he is aware on a point by point, item by item level. Your choices result from your personality and knowledge. The only sources for these are your experiences and your genes. All of that is determined by what came before.

If God is omniscient, then the choices God made as a part of the creative act determined the initial state and conditions of reality. This means that each person that springs forth in this reality is a direct result of God's choices and decisions. Any decision made by these humans results from their nature's and their environments, which were determined by God. Hence there is no room for free will as it stands. It is not the knowledge alone that is the problem. It is that God has that knowledge and is creating everything, leaving no room for any other involved being to have a choice as things stand thus far in this scenario. This is why I see a need for God to limit the fore-knowledge temporarily during the creative act.

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