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Front Door Vistors | by JedaiBesk | 2003-02-27 05:42:17 |
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Which is why you should always speak properly. | by pecosdave | 2003-02-27 05:44:53 |
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slight correction | by plblark | 2003-02-27 06:43:12 |
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Calling NOLAWitch... | by Naruki | 2003-02-27 06:59:20 |
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It just bugs me a little is all... | by plblark | 2003-02-27 07:05:14 |
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At a guess, I'd say the "Jesus Christ" part. ;-P | by Naruki | 2003-02-27 07:13:20 |
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heh! | by plblark | 2003-02-27 07:34:23 |
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I'd have to disagree on that first sentence | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 08:08:38 |
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well, yes, if it WERE the word of god directly | by plblark | 2003-02-27 08:22:06 |
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So then | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 08:34:34 |
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I think His rules are plain enough | by slacktime | 2003-02-27 08:57:53 |
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Wait a minute | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 09:05:56 |
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Oh I don't disagree | by slacktime | 2003-02-27 09:14:51 |
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I agree | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 09:31:19 |
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Maybe this will help | by slacktime | 2003-02-27 10:00:50 |
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Not quite adequate | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 10:14:24 |
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Maybe there is more to you | by slacktime | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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But we keep coming to the question | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 10:47:53 |
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so knowledge removes freedom? | by slacktime | 2003-02-27 10:58:10 |
| That's the crux of the longtime debate |
by Nea |
2003-02-27 11:22:56 |
Does that fact that God (all knowing, all seeing, all powerful) knows something will happen mean that the people didn't choose their actions that lead them to that something?
There is a difference between you (a human) "knowing" Pres. Bush will attack Iraq, and God (all knowing being) Knowing. For example say God knows that next year I will fall down the steps in my house and break my leg. Since He is all knowing, He is 100% sure this will happen, no question. So if I then use free will to not ever use those steps again, God was wrong. This is a contradiction. So my only path is to go through the actions that God has already determined, hence no free will.
The other side is that, yes, He knows what's going to happen, but that's only because He knows the choices you make. It doesn't mean that you didn't make the choices yourself, it just means that He can fastforward to the end of the film to find out what happened.
People have been debating this point for centuries. |
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And we aren't likely going to solve it today? | by slacktime | 2003-02-27 11:32:28 |
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The latter option doesn't fly. | by Arcanum | 2003-02-27 11:44:34 |
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weakened omniscience | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 11:54:37 |
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Yes. So is weakened omnipotence. :) | by Arcanum | 2003-02-27 11:56:04 |
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Turn it around | by Ston | 2003-02-27 12:28:05 |
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So he knows some things? | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 12:32:57 |
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No | by Ston | 2003-02-27 12:54:29 |
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But if he knows the actions we will take | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 12:58:37 |
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Because you're not getting it. | by YakkoWarner | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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It didn't (n/t) | by Egaeus | 2003-02-27 13:25:26 |
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Nope, still doesn't work. | by Arcanum | 2003-02-27 14:42:32 |
