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Front Door Vistors by JedaiBesk2003-02-27 05:42:17
  Which is why you should always speak properly. by pecosdave2003-02-27 05:44:53
    slight correction by plblark2003-02-27 06:43:12
      Calling NOLAWitch... by Naruki2003-02-27 06:59:20
        It just bugs me a little is all... by plblark2003-02-27 07:05:14
          At a guess, I'd say the "Jesus Christ" part. ;-P by Naruki2003-02-27 07:13:20
            heh! by plblark2003-02-27 07:34:23
              I'd have to disagree on that first sentence by Egaeus2003-02-27 08:08:38
                well, yes, if it WERE the word of god directly by plblark2003-02-27 08:22:06
                  So then by Egaeus2003-02-27 08:34:34
                    I think His rules are plain enough by slacktime2003-02-27 08:57:53
                      Wait a minute by Egaeus2003-02-27 09:05:56
                        Oh I don't disagree by slacktime2003-02-27 09:14:51
                          I agree by Egaeus2003-02-27 09:31:19
                            Maybe this will help by slacktime2003-02-27 10:00:50
                              Not quite adequate by Egaeus2003-02-27 10:14:24
                                Maybe there is more to you by slacktime2006-11-19 12:55:59
                                But we keep coming to the question by Egaeus2003-02-27 10:47:53
                                so knowledge removes freedom? by slacktime 2003-02-27 10:58:10
if I know that Pres Bush is going to attack Iraq, that takes away his freedom to choose not to?

if I send my son away to college, knowing he has a propensity to party, I take away his ability to study and force him to party?

if I could create the proverbial time machine knowing what I do about world war II and go back to 1942, I somehow force Japan to bomb the U.S?

if God sits in a dimensional nexus that allows him to see the past present and future before him like we can see spacial dimensions, he somehow takes away your agency because of his knowledge of the future?

I don't see that he has taken away your right to choose at all, do what you will of your life, you can't blame it on God.
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                                That's the crux of the longtime debate by Nea2003-02-27 11:22:56
                                And we aren't likely going to solve it today? by slacktime2003-02-27 11:32:28
                                The latter option doesn't fly. by Arcanum2003-02-27 11:44:34
                                weakened omniscience by Egaeus2003-02-27 11:54:37
                                Yes. So is weakened omnipotence. :) by Arcanum2003-02-27 11:56:04
                                Turn it around by Ston2003-02-27 12:28:05
                                So he knows some things? by Egaeus2003-02-27 12:32:57
                                No by Ston2003-02-27 12:54:29
                                But if he knows the actions we will take by Egaeus2003-02-27 12:58:37
                                Because you're not getting it. by YakkoWarner2006-11-19 12:55:59
                                It didn't (n/t) by Egaeus2003-02-27 13:25:26
                                Nope, still doesn't work. by Arcanum2003-02-27 14:42:32
                                When we're talking about God, absolutely by Egaeus2003-02-27 11:34:35

 

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