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For Naruki by rwrannells2002-10-18 10:02:05
  Here are a couple definitions of truth... by skeegenin2002-10-18 10:14:44
    Good Points by rwrannells2002-10-18 10:31:45
      Perception vs reality by tigermouse2002-10-18 10:36:02
        Metaphysics by rwrannells2002-10-18 12:13:29
          Well by tigermouse2002-10-18 12:31:27
            Agreed by rwrannells2002-10-18 12:45:51
              I would call that knowledge by tigermouse2002-10-18 13:02:35
                OK by rwrannells2002-10-18 13:42:29
                  knowledge by tigermouse 2002-10-18 14:24:28
yes, I would agree that there is a relation between knowledge and the ability to reason. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought that's what you were implying when you said "facts known to a perceiver and placed into their context," your definition of reality.

The definition "the quality or state of being actual or true," in using the phrase "actual or true" is not placing those two terms in opposition, as in "*either* actual *or* true but not both," just as "quality" does not oppose "state." "Or" can be use to restate an idea in different terms or to link similar ideas, such as "agoraphobia, or fear of open places," "it would be more accurate to say want or desire instead of need," or "I don't think he meant to hurt or injure the dog."

The definition for factual is "of the nature of fact; real," true is "[c]onsistent with fact or reality; not false or erroneous. See Synonyms at real," and real is "[b]eing or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence" and also "[t]rue and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal." True, real, actual, and factual are synonyms, and it is not possible for something to be factual yet not true, as it cannot be both real and unreal.
[ Reply ]
                    Excellent by rwrannells2002-10-18 14:42:48
                      Again, I insist that "or" doesn't indicate by tigermouse2002-10-18 14:56:40
                    Now he's got you doing it. by flamebait2002-10-18 15:06:46
                      Well, I didn't want to get into what I thought by tigermouse2002-10-18 15:20:46

 

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