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New wrench thrown in the wheel by crash_2006-11-19 12:55:59
  Isn't... by warhawk2002-07-12 06:56:25
    How about the original line? by eriq64 2002-07-12 07:42:54
Originally, The Pledge of Allegiance simply read "One nation, indivisible, etc.". The 'under God' was added in 1954 to foster patriotic feelings, and to try to prevent the spread of Communism in America, as the gov't was afraid we were all going to revolt or something stupid.

I agree that this whole matter was handled badly - instead of making a big issue about how the words 'under God' were harming his daughter, which turned out to be untrue anyway, he should have quietly lobbied to have the Pledge returned to its original form, which had served the country just fine for the many years it had remained non-religious.

People argue that our country was founded by religious fundamentalists who believed strongly in God, and for that reason we should all follow their beliefs. Other people argue that our founders wanted church and state to be separate, so we must eradicate all reference to religion in anything remotely state-sponsored (except, apparently the Boy Scouts, but that's another rant). Both conclusions are extremist and harmful.

Our founders were fundamentalists, and they did believe in the separation of church and state, but only to a certain point. They were concerned that the state not endorse any one religion over another. They didn't preclude religion from being included in gov't-sponsored areas, just as long as no religion was excluded.

What this means is prayer in schools is fine, as long as students are allowed to pray in their own manner, and not be pressured to follow only the majority method or belief. It also means that religious verbiage, such as 'under God', has no place in an official state Pledge, nor does it belong on our money or state seals, unless we include the names of all other worshipped deities as well.

That's my rant, and I'm sticking to it!

[ Reply ]
      God... by warhawk2002-07-12 08:06:07
        You can't ignore semantics by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:20:03
          How about "under divinty"? by slayer2002-07-12 08:22:55
            I think creator by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:28:12
              I've always thought by slayer2002-07-12 08:33:48
                I can agree with fate by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:39:34
                  How about TAKE IT BACK OUT? by Naruki2002-07-12 08:52:37
                    That's my choice too by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:55:44
                      Yes, but I never felt that was important. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:01:00
                    How do you figure? by slayer2002-07-12 08:59:00
                      Redundancy, for one. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:13:39
                        It's humility, not pride. by slayer2002-07-12 09:21:31
                          How many times must I explain this? by Naruki2002-07-12 09:46:53
                            Well... by atanamis2002-07-12 13:12:07
                              I am perfectly willing to admit by Naruki2002-07-12 14:42:11
                    Actually... by Ravenlock2002-07-12 09:43:31
          Diety would work by slacktime2002-07-12 14:48:29
            But not in the Pledge. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:52:57
        God vs. god by flamebait2002-07-12 08:21:49
          Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Three rounds, for da belt! by nin_man2002-07-12 08:23:00
            Maybe go out... by warhawk2002-07-12 08:57:56
              That's cheating. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:01:45
                *laughs* by warhawk2002-07-12 09:05:53
                No, it wouldn't. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:15:14
                  I never said it would. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:18:46
                    Nope. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:39:45
                      Sure they would. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:50:23
                        There is a God by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:53:37
                        But then He wouldn't exist by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 09:59:45
                          Douglas Adams - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (n/t) by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:08:41
                            Thanks for the appropriate credit. by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 10:25:29
                        lmao by Temujin132002-07-12 10:09:32
                        Thaw Canada??? by nix2002-07-12 10:30:34
                  Oh thanks a lot. ;) by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 09:29:51
                    You know He did before. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:38:02
                      Argh! Stop it! by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 09:41:50
                      Thanks so much! by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:42:26
                        And lo, the Lord spake unto Abraham, who was by Naruki2002-07-12 09:54:39
                          I always wondered by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:56:18
                        Hehehe, "Load almighty". by flamebait2002-07-12 10:43:54
                          Uhm yeah, that wasn't a typo, I meant that ;) (n/t) by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:57:05
          How do you... by warhawk2002-07-12 08:55:56
            OK so it only measn what I think it does? by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:07:22
            Hypocrite. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:08:29
              Hmm... by warhawk2002-07-12 09:21:01
                If that WERE true... by Naruki2002-07-12 09:38:31
                  Alrighty then... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:09:54
                    "...endowed by their Creator with ..." by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 10:20:54
                      That's where... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:25:27
                        *frustrated with closed minds* by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 10:34:24
                          Hmm... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:45:31
                        The very reason the Founding Fathers by flamebait2002-07-12 10:59:34
                          *DING! DING! DING!* We have a winner! (n/t) by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:07:44
                        NO! by Naruki2002-07-12 12:23:09
                          Ah, but you CAN... by warhawk2002-07-12 12:39:01
                            I have yet to find by flamebait2002-07-12 13:23:48
                              Yes, well... by warhawk2002-07-12 13:27:16
                            Not on this by traffic_hazard2002-07-12 18:29:46
                              Not necessarily true... by warhawk2002-07-12 20:41:05
                    Sorry. You just made the stupidest argument by Naruki2002-07-12 10:25:54
                      It was you... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:41:18
                        Put down the marijuana pipe, w... by Naruki2002-07-12 12:20:53
                          *BUZZ!* by warhawk2002-07-12 12:35:46
                            Changing it back by flamebait2002-07-12 13:12:53
                              Depends on the reasoning... by warhawk2002-07-12 13:25:50
                                No it doesn't. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:25:00
                            That's from the liquor you've been drinking. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:34:12
                              Hmm... by warhawk2002-07-12 15:02:22
                                Correction... by warhawk2002-07-12 15:04:52
                                But that is the ONLY reason it was changed. by Naruki2002-07-12 15:28:47
                                Provocation? by warhawk2002-07-12 20:48:20
                    You already answered your own argument. by Arcanum2002-07-12 10:33:31
                      Be kinda tough... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:53:20
                        Oh yeah... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:56:18
                          My point was by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:03:28
                        Not that tough. by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:05:59
                          Pauses are great... by warhawk2002-07-12 11:09:06
                            Um, so? by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:37:43
                              Under Boojum! by traffic_hazard2002-07-12 19:20:04
                            In this country, by flamebait2002-07-12 11:50:55
                            You ARE smoking something. by Naruki2002-07-12 12:11:48
                              *chuckles* Hey,... by warhawk2002-07-12 12:15:09
                                'Course, if it was... by warhawk2002-07-12 12:16:21
            Some people can by flamebait2002-07-12 11:25:03
      I'm with you by tigermouse2002-07-12 08:19:02

 

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