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New wrench thrown in the wheel by crash_ 2006-11-19 12:55:59
of the Pledge of Allegiance controversy. Apparently the 8 year old that was injured by having to recite it is actually a christian and can't understand why her daddy that she doesn't even live with has made such a fuss. clicky

It is one thing to fight for what you believe in and what you think this country stands for. It is another thing to exploit your own child that you don't even have custody of for your own agendas.
[ Reply ]
  As I was saying... by traffic_hazard2002-07-12 06:28:27
  Here's the problem by beez2002-07-12 06:31:26
    Like I said, maybe it shouldn't be there by crash_2002-07-12 06:35:58
      I agree with that (n/t) by beez2002-07-12 06:40:43
      i don't agree by Control2002-07-12 07:07:11
        That's a bit unfair by tigermouse2002-07-12 07:12:57
          Well, *most* atheists by beez2002-07-12 07:24:10
            most atheists, like most Christians by tigermouse2002-07-12 07:47:35
              I only give my reasons if asked by beez2002-07-12 08:05:17
                In debating religion by tigermouse2002-07-12 08:51:41
                Because most people are not by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:54:29
                  unfortunately true by slacktime2002-07-12 14:17:45
          No Its Not by rwrannells2002-07-12 07:32:36
            Hear Hear! Perfectly fair. (n/t) by UberDomino2002-07-12 07:46:14
            Free thought and decision making? by crash_2002-07-12 07:52:08
              I admit I'm a bit bitter.. by Temujin132002-07-12 08:10:01
              Interesting. by Naruki2002-07-12 08:46:23
                Well... by Ravenlock2002-07-12 09:32:15
                  He could not file except on behalf of his child by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:40:17
                    Of course, they aren't.... by Ravenlock2006-11-19 12:55:59
                      Doh by Ravenlock2002-07-12 10:00:22
                    I'm curious by tigermouse2002-07-12 10:02:44
                      I think what he did is important by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:07:28
                        Have become? The Judeo-Christian by xti2002-07-12 10:20:03
                          Idiot. by Naruki2002-07-12 10:28:31
                          Baloney! by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:33:40
                        again, the ends were good by tigermouse2002-07-12 10:45:59
                          Hmmmm by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:50:38
                            I don't think he needed to get involved by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:02:39
                              True by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 11:07:59
                                It's a little early for that by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:31:57
                            You're kidding, right? by Ravenlock2002-07-12 12:34:20
            I disagree by tigermouse2002-07-12 07:58:36
              Actually by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:17:11
                I tend towards that myself by tigermouse2002-07-12 08:27:07
                  Of course... by atanamis2002-07-12 12:31:55
              With What? by rwrannells2002-07-12 08:25:06
                It is very easy by slayer2002-07-12 08:29:42
                  reasons is the keyword here by Control2002-07-12 08:58:03
                    Not quite. by slayer2002-07-12 09:14:06
                      Absolutely by atanamis2002-07-12 12:39:35
                        This is true by slacktime2002-07-12 14:32:12
                    apologetics by tigermouse2002-07-12 09:23:36
                that it's a fair statement by tigermouse2002-07-12 08:38:06
                  I See, and Somewhat Agree by rwrannells2002-07-12 08:58:21
                    Brainwashing by tigermouse2002-07-12 09:17:24
                      Agreed by rwrannells2002-07-12 09:41:06
      Be fair. by flamebait2002-07-12 07:34:31
        I did not write the semantics correctly by crash_2002-07-12 07:43:44
          Yeah by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 07:52:27
            And you have to wonder by flamebait2002-07-12 07:58:52
            I actually kinda wondered that myself by crash_2002-07-12 08:04:23
        If... by Sehmket2002-07-12 07:44:52
          Pretty much the same all over the US by UberDomino2002-07-12 07:48:04
            Nah... by atanamis2002-07-12 12:49:33
    didn't used to be there by Atheology2006-11-19 12:55:59
    Hindu preferably, or Sikh by darkewytche2002-07-12 09:47:53
  Isn't... by warhawk2002-07-12 06:56:25
    It would be even easier by flamebait2002-07-12 07:04:40
      *WILD APPLAUSE* *STANDING OVATION* by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 07:24:30
        *joins in* (n/t) by beez2002-07-12 07:27:00
        Add Fireworks by rwrannells2002-07-12 07:37:54
        <AOL> Me too! </AOL> by breezeblock2002-07-12 07:38:33
      Then can we drop all the other indoctrination by xti2002-07-12 10:37:40
        Laughing to hard, must type by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:54:35
    how about by Control2002-07-12 07:04:42
      I second that.. by Temujin132002-07-12 07:24:20
        Fox New by rwrannells2002-07-12 07:42:55
          they succeeded in the latter... by Temujin132002-07-12 07:53:17
            O'Reilly has become a blow-hard by xti2002-07-12 10:30:21
              What a Great Analogy by rwrannells2002-07-12 11:43:49
    How about the original line? by eriq642002-07-12 07:42:54
      God... by warhawk2002-07-12 08:06:07
        You can't ignore semantics by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:20:03
          How about "under divinty"? by slayer2002-07-12 08:22:55
            I think creator by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:28:12
              I've always thought by slayer2002-07-12 08:33:48
                I can agree with fate by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:39:34
                  How about TAKE IT BACK OUT? by Naruki2002-07-12 08:52:37
                    That's my choice too by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:55:44
                      Yes, but I never felt that was important. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:01:00
                    How do you figure? by slayer2002-07-12 08:59:00
                      Redundancy, for one. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:13:39
                        It's humility, not pride. by slayer2002-07-12 09:21:31
                          How many times must I explain this? by Naruki2002-07-12 09:46:53
                            Well... by atanamis2002-07-12 13:12:07
                              I am perfectly willing to admit by Naruki2002-07-12 14:42:11
                    Actually... by Ravenlock2002-07-12 09:43:31
          Diety would work by slacktime2002-07-12 14:48:29
            But not in the Pledge. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:52:57
        God vs. god by flamebait2002-07-12 08:21:49
          Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Three rounds, for da belt! by nin_man2002-07-12 08:23:00
            Maybe go out... by warhawk2002-07-12 08:57:56
              That's cheating. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:01:45
                *laughs* by warhawk2002-07-12 09:05:53
                No, it wouldn't. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:15:14
                  I never said it would. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:18:46
                    Nope. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:39:45
                      Sure they would. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:50:23
                        There is a God by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:53:37
                        But then He wouldn't exist by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 09:59:45
                          Douglas Adams - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (n/t) by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:08:41
                            Thanks for the appropriate credit. by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 10:25:29
                        lmao by Temujin132002-07-12 10:09:32
                        Thaw Canada??? by nix2002-07-12 10:30:34
                  Oh thanks a lot. ;) by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 09:29:51
                    You know He did before. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:38:02
                      Argh! Stop it! by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 09:41:50
                      Thanks so much! by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:42:26
                        And lo, the Lord spake unto Abraham, who was by Naruki2002-07-12 09:54:39
                          I always wondered by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:56:18
                        Hehehe, "Load almighty". by flamebait2002-07-12 10:43:54
                          Uhm yeah, that wasn't a typo, I meant that ;) (n/t) by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:57:05
          How do you... by warhawk2002-07-12 08:55:56
            OK so it only measn what I think it does? by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:07:22
            Hypocrite. by Naruki2002-07-12 09:08:29
              Hmm... by warhawk2002-07-12 09:21:01
                If that WERE true... by Naruki2002-07-12 09:38:31
                  Alrighty then... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:09:54
                    "...endowed by their Creator with ..." by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 10:20:54
                      That's where... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:25:27
                        *frustrated with closed minds* by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 10:34:24
                          Hmm... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:45:31
                        The very reason the Founding Fathers by flamebait2002-07-12 10:59:34
                          *DING! DING! DING!* We have a winner! (n/t) by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:07:44
                        NO! by Naruki2002-07-12 12:23:09
                          Ah, but you CAN... by warhawk2002-07-12 12:39:01
                            I have yet to find by flamebait2002-07-12 13:23:48
                              Yes, well... by warhawk2002-07-12 13:27:16
                            Not on this by traffic_hazard2002-07-12 18:29:46
                              Not necessarily true... by warhawk2002-07-12 20:41:05
                    Sorry. You just made the stupidest argument by Naruki2002-07-12 10:25:54
                      It was you... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:41:18
                        Put down the marijuana pipe, w... by Naruki2002-07-12 12:20:53
                          *BUZZ!* by warhawk2002-07-12 12:35:46
                            Changing it back by flamebait2002-07-12 13:12:53
                              Depends on the reasoning... by warhawk2002-07-12 13:25:50
                                No it doesn't. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:25:00
                            That's from the liquor you've been drinking. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:34:12
                              Hmm... by warhawk2002-07-12 15:02:22
                                Correction... by warhawk2002-07-12 15:04:52
                                But that is the ONLY reason it was changed. by Naruki2002-07-12 15:28:47
                                Provocation? by warhawk2002-07-12 20:48:20
                    You already answered your own argument. by Arcanum2002-07-12 10:33:31
                      Be kinda tough... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:53:20
                        Oh yeah... by warhawk2002-07-12 10:56:18
                          My point was by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:03:28
                        Not that tough. by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:05:59
                          Pauses are great... by warhawk2002-07-12 11:09:06
                            Um, so? by Arcanum2002-07-12 11:37:43
                              Under Boojum! by traffic_hazard2002-07-12 19:20:04
                            In this country, by flamebait2002-07-12 11:50:55
                            You ARE smoking something. by Naruki2002-07-12 12:11:48
                              *chuckles* Hey,... by warhawk2002-07-12 12:15:09
                                'Course, if it was... by warhawk2002-07-12 12:16:21
            Some people can by flamebait2002-07-12 11:25:03
      I'm with you by tigermouse2002-07-12 08:19:02
  From his perspective by flamebait2002-07-12 07:23:20
    Actually, he has admitted the case really by crash_2002-07-12 07:40:50
      Not exactly by beez2002-07-12 07:47:33
      Yeah, it is NOW. by nin_man2002-07-12 07:49:56
        What is going to hurt him is the "injury" by crash_2002-07-12 08:01:44
          Children are not always allowed by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:22:13
            All children are "brainwashed" by gblues2002-07-12 10:26:22
              Ah but the father by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:43:03
    Mothers get Custody even when Unfit by rwrannells2002-07-12 07:57:01
      Call Social Services on her? by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:03:34
        Been There, Done That by rwrannells2002-07-12 08:35:10
          Well by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:42:07
            It's not the Judge by rwrannells2002-07-12 09:17:12
              I just hope you can find her by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:21:47
                No Problem by rwrannells2002-07-12 09:49:30
      Have her deported? by nin_man2002-07-12 08:07:44
        Can't deport a citizen, can you? by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 08:37:46
          She's not a US Citizenship by rwrannells2002-07-12 08:41:24
        Can't by rwrannells2002-07-12 08:38:03
    custody woes by GinnyH2002-07-12 08:32:53
  Well by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 07:46:48
    But that's just it, kids aren't forced to say it by crash_2002-07-12 07:55:27
      But with that said, I wish they would take it out by crash_2002-07-12 07:58:43
        Tell it to Congress :) by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:06:07
          Wow, you're not very observant. by Naruki2002-07-12 08:33:14
            I think I lsitening to the by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:46:08
              I figure he has to support by Naruki2002-07-12 08:54:00
            Is pro-death penalty by slayer2002-07-12 08:54:01
              It is a very 'conservative' stance. by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:58:11
              Catholic vs. Christian by cristobal2002-07-12 08:59:04
                I thought that was the point... by tigermouse2002-07-12 10:11:26
                  Are you _dead_ sure? by Naruki2002-07-12 11:08:19
                    Surely she's dead. (n/t) by bugarup2002-07-12 11:18:23
                      hey, quit calling me Shirley! (n/t) by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:25:57
                      She's not dead, and don't call her Shirley. (n/t) by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 11:26:17
                        ooo, spooky (n/t) by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:38:04
                          Be afraid. Be kind of afraid. (n/t) by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 11:39:59
                            *shivers a little* by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:43:30
                    dead, adverb by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:20:02
                      I'm dead sexy. by Naruki2002-07-12 14:03:38
                        *shudder* by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 14:13:41
                        Chicken? by tigermouse2002-07-12 14:37:09
                          shucks, "its" (n/t) by tigermouse2002-07-12 14:37:54
                            Has nobody seen Austin Powers? by Naruki2002-07-12 14:50:53
                              Of course someone has by Nea2002-07-12 14:59:58
                              trying to steer clear... by tigermouse2002-07-12 15:11:41
                                This coffee is a bit nutty... by Naruki2002-07-12 15:21:10
                                <AOL>Me, too</AOL> (n/t) by Nea2002-07-12 15:40:55
                                <rushite>ditto</rushite> (n/t) by tigermouse2002-07-12 17:42:59
                              Yeah, Baby! by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 17:49:18
                Bush is a Methodist by crash_2002-07-12 10:18:24
      The courts determined by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:00:08
        What about the response by slayer2002-07-12 08:08:10
          Not my impression by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:13:45
            The only complaints about the wording by crash_2002-07-12 08:16:53
              actually... by Temujin132002-07-12 09:35:14
            What I have seen by slayer2002-07-12 08:20:03
              Well I was not oppressed by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:25:33
              With your eyes closed, no doubt. by Naruki2002-07-12 08:37:46
                Historical by slayer2002-07-12 08:47:53
                  Constitutional? by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 08:52:15
                    Hm... I wonder if I can "interpret" by xti2002-07-12 10:26:41
                      If ... by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:48:35
                        Rational arguments? xti? by Arcanum2002-07-12 10:50:38
                          Well that, and shooting homeless people (n/t) by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 10:56:01
                            You know, on most levels by Naruki2002-07-12 11:08:53
                        Okay, so then my mortgage company's by xti2002-07-12 12:36:02
                  The Supreme Court by flamebait2002-07-12 12:13:14
                And as the status quo changes by xti2002-07-12 12:39:05
          Hello from a polytheist who's ticked off. by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 09:12:31
            Hi Nolawitch, how are you? ;) (n/t) by Temujin132002-07-12 09:28:13
            Just for the prpose of this discussion, by slayer2002-07-12 09:34:29
              Why should we assume by Arcanum2002-07-12 09:36:18
                Because I already know by slayer2002-07-12 09:40:20
                  The Supreme Court has Made Several Ruling by rwrannells2002-07-12 10:06:35
              That much should be obvious. by nin_man2002-07-12 09:43:47
                But Satanists by slayer2002-07-12 09:50:44
                  Right, right. by nin_man2002-07-12 10:01:04
                    Patrick Duffy? by crash_2002-07-12 10:12:54
                      So you've never heard of Suzanne Somers, either? by Naruki2002-07-12 10:17:53
                        Come to think of it by crash_2002-07-12 10:20:16
                          Yep. by nin_man2002-07-12 10:24:09
                      Patrick Duffy? That's not scary. by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 10:18:01
                      Yes, Patrick Duffy. by nin_man2002-07-12 10:20:09
                        Keep going, dude. by Naruki2002-07-12 11:06:44
                          I'm not that old. by nin_man2002-07-12 11:31:46
                            Belinda J. Montgomery was cute, though (n/t) by xti2002-07-12 12:24:37
                        The Man from Atlantis by xti2002-07-12 12:24:08
                  Not so different. by Arcanum2002-07-12 10:01:16
                    But Satan is specific. by slayer2002-07-12 10:03:05
                      It's God, not god in the Pledge by rwrannells2002-07-12 10:10:22
                        Tell that to Kipling by xti2002-07-12 10:50:57
                          Then why do people call him by Arcanum2002-07-12 10:55:48
                            It's like "mom" and "dad"... by xti2002-07-12 12:23:23
                              So you admit by Arcanum2002-07-12 12:36:39
                                The polytheist argument may actually be stronger.. by HadEnuf2002-07-12 23:01:46
                          'E was a great American, 'e was. by Naruki2002-07-12 12:07:14
                      Not god, God. by Arcanum2002-07-12 10:12:29
                      IT AIN'T "unspecific" and that's the problem. by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 10:27:30
                        Bravo. by Naruki2002-07-12 11:05:24
                          Check your diary. (n/t) by NOLAWitch2002-07-12 11:13:41
                            Grr! by Naruki2002-07-12 12:06:12
          what if.. by Temujin132002-07-12 09:23:19
            Oooo thats a good question! by hyzenthlay2002-07-12 09:47:55
          i am not a christian and i want the words out by ma petite2002-07-12 17:12:25
            Wrong!, "they" belong in government, but... by HadEnuf2002-07-12 22:51:39
      And from your SOLITARY school by Naruki2002-07-12 08:29:54
        Force? by cristobal2002-07-12 08:51:01
          Yep. by Naruki2002-07-12 08:54:43
          When did peer pressure become force? by slayer2002-07-12 09:29:29
            Ever since... by nin_man2002-07-12 09:33:10
              You only say that because your by Naruki2002-07-12 09:52:02
                Let's be fair here by Ravenlock2002-07-12 10:12:13
                  s/fair/honest/, above; unpopular opinion, below by HadEnuf2002-07-12 22:26:51
                Baaaaah? isn't that the new National Anthem? (n/t) by xti2002-07-12 10:46:51
            Peer pressure can be considered force by cristobal2002-07-12 09:43:30
              But that has always existed. by slayer2002-07-12 09:56:43
                Good thing you didn't make the rules by Naruki2002-07-12 10:08:16
                  That's not what I said. by slayer2002-07-12 10:27:17
                When I was in grade school there by xti2002-07-12 10:45:48
                  Sounds like... by HadEnuf2002-07-12 22:22:39
        You are asking ME if that sounds ignorant? by crash_2002-07-12 10:09:54
          Guess what? I did too. by Naruki2002-07-12 10:16:37
      I Was Forced To Say It by rwrannells2002-07-12 09:24:55
        When was this? by slayer2002-07-12 09:30:51
          Just because it's illegal by Arcanum2002-07-12 09:35:05
            My public school principal recited by Naruki2002-07-12 09:51:06
              Just how old are you? by slayer2002-07-12 10:06:25
                Well, that WAS the last millennium. by Naruki2002-07-12 10:14:10
                  I thought it was by tigermouse2002-07-12 11:51:19
                    There was no way in heck by Naruki2002-07-12 14:02:11
                      wimp (n/t) by tigermouse2002-07-12 14:26:17
                        So? by Naruki2002-07-12 14:50:13
                          not that one, of course by tigermouse2002-07-12 15:06:24
                            Well I wouldn't worry too much, then. by Naruki2002-07-12 15:18:56
                              Meanie by tigermouse2002-07-12 17:09:03
                                That's one way to look at it. by Naruki2002-07-12 18:55:48
                                then why read the posts? by tigermouse2002-07-12 19:20:10
                    Sorry, Aquarius is over... by slacktime2002-07-12 15:36:26
                      Boy, that explains so much by tigermouse2006-11-19 12:55:59
                Has not. by nin_man2002-07-12 10:18:48
          October of 1976 by rwrannells2002-07-12 09:52:55
            And that is what the ACLU is for. (n/t) by slayer2002-07-12 10:00:25
              Fine. Just pretend that they by Naruki2002-07-12 10:07:00
                But they are both! by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 10:14:21
                  Dangit, don't do that. by Naruki2002-07-12 11:01:23
                    Rule of Acquisition #76 by YakkoWarner2002-07-12 11:05:53
                When did Rwrannells become by slayer2002-07-12 10:16:24
                  I Agree by rwrannells2002-07-12 11:52:33
                  The ACLU also supports NAMBLA by crash_2002-07-12 12:10:57
                    That's not what it means... by Naruki2002-07-12 13:58:34
                    Massachusetts chapter defended them in court by tigermouse2006-11-19 12:55:59
              Exactly by rwrannells2002-07-12 11:53:56
      that's not even the point anymore by ma petite2002-07-12 17:13:40
  non-PC joke by nix2002-07-12 11:53:20
  I know that... by Ravenlock2006-11-19 12:55:59
    Not to mention it wasn't even by Naruki2002-07-12 14:18:58
    If in God we no longer trust... by HadEnuf2002-07-12 21:38:03
  at this point it doesn't even matter why it was by ma petite2002-07-12 17:09:40
  question for the christians: do you object to by ma petite2002-07-12 17:14:27
    In fact, I think it should never have been added. by HadEnuf2002-07-12 21:34:26
      What I think by Buffy_Fett2002-07-12 21:50:10
  It's grammarnazi time! by HadEnuf2002-07-12 19:25:06

 

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