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<sigh> Please forgive my country, as it seems by adiplomat2006-11-19 12:55:59
  I am looking forward to the US invading Holland! by bavvy2002-07-09 01:19:27
    Bush is correct. by slayer2002-07-09 01:35:51
      By the reasoning by SaleGamine2002-07-09 01:41:55
        That is my point. by slayer2002-07-09 01:52:38
          No, because that is another basic human right by bavvy2002-07-09 01:57:35
            Freedom of speech is not a human right by slayer2002-07-09 02:06:35
              Humans are not cruel by bavvy2002-07-09 02:10:24
                Oh yeah? by breezeblock2002-07-09 02:15:21
                  The fact that it is not respected by bavvy2002-07-09 02:23:49
                    Sorry to disappoint you but it does. by breezeblock2002-07-09 03:02:18
                      "Right" does not mean bullet-proof by tigermouse2002-07-09 04:50:42
                        Seems that our definition of "right" are confused! by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:01:49
                          *Hurks enormous stone at breezeblock* by tigermouse2002-07-09 05:11:41
                            In whose eye? by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:22:02
                              ...and furthermore! by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:53:57
                                I'm with you on this one. by Naruki2002-07-09 10:54:27
                                mmm, okay by tigermouse2002-07-09 11:40:47
                                Naruki didn't say that at all. Reread hir post. by flamebait2002-07-09 13:45:33
                                hmm, still reads that way to me by tigermouse2002-07-09 14:47:09
                                You keep using words you cannot define by Naruki2002-07-09 15:11:56
                                Nooooo! by tigermouse 2002-07-09 16:22:08
You keep using the definition for law, a perfectly good definition but far another word. I am sorry if you do not approve of the accepted definition of right. Just say, "there is no such thing" and be done with it. But don't alter the definition, or add your baggage to it, and argue against it based on your new one.

Your main argument seems to be that you dislike the common definition of right because you believe it requires a god. This seems to be the root or your disregarding the definitions of the words used to define right, as well. If so, your premise may be summed up in your phrase:

You have the right to life. If God gave it to you, no mere mortal could take it away.

This has two points to refute:
  • God gave it

  • You seem to believe that the words used in the definition, touching on morality, require some sort of higher external power. I must assume that you believe there is no basis for morality other than religion. You must admit, though, that this is not necessarily true, but is your personal view. Ideas of right and wrong could be based on any number of physical processes, such as genetics, or mental ones, such as logic. For example, might human antipathy to incest be based on genetics, not religion? Cannibalism? Even ideas of justice(fairness), goodness and honor? Don't argue against the definition because you assume it requires deism.
  • no mere mortal could take it away

  • You seem to define a right as something which, if having any basis in reality, could not be violated. Why? Where does it say rights are things which cannot be violated or abridged? This is why I used "should", to emphasize that a right is not a contract with the universe. In requiring absolute inviolabilty, you are not debating the definition, you are adding to it. I assume that you are using this tack not to debate the definition, but to deny deism.


I tried to explicate why I believe your arguments are invalid. If I have misunderstood you I am very sorry and desirous of correction. I also hope I do not seem unkind, as that is not my intention.
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                                I'll make this as painless as possible... by Naruki2002-07-09 18:24:51
                                Oh dear by tigermouse2002-07-09 19:35:38

 

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