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<sigh> Please forgive my country, as it seems by adiplomat2006-11-19 12:55:59
  I am looking forward to the US invading Holland! by bavvy2002-07-09 01:19:27
    Bush is correct. by slayer2002-07-09 01:35:51
      By the reasoning by SaleGamine2002-07-09 01:41:55
        That is my point. by slayer2002-07-09 01:52:38
          No, because that is another basic human right by bavvy2002-07-09 01:57:35
            Freedom of speech is not a human right by slayer2002-07-09 02:06:35
              Humans are not cruel by bavvy2002-07-09 02:10:24
                Oh yeah? by breezeblock2002-07-09 02:15:21
                  The fact that it is not respected by bavvy2002-07-09 02:23:49
                    Sorry to disappoint you but it does. by breezeblock2002-07-09 03:02:18
                      "Right" does not mean bullet-proof by tigermouse2002-07-09 04:50:42
                        Seems that our definition of "right" are confused! by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:01:49
                          *Hurks enormous stone at breezeblock* by tigermouse2002-07-09 05:11:41
                            In whose eye? by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:22:02
                              ...and furthermore! by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:53:57
                                I'm with you on this one. by Naruki2002-07-09 10:54:27
                                mmm, okay by tigermouse 2002-07-09 11:40:47
You define a right as given by authority, which must be enforced perfectly. Therefore if a right is not "perfectly enforced", it is not a right, yet you admit that the state cannot "perfectly enforce" them. If rights must be perfectly enforced and people die, there is no right to life ever, state or no. If people rob, rape, etc, and get away with it, then there is no right not to be robbed, raped, or whatever.

You define right incorrectly. Your definition, a rule of conduct/behavior enforced by authority, is closer to the definition for a law, not a right. A right is that which is just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting. Again, rights are not that which must happen, they are that which should happen.

You have defined a right as something which logically cannot exist, a kind of super, unbreakable law. But you know better than this. You know that a right does not depend on its defense. In saying that the state gives rights, you recognize that they cannot promise that these rights will never be abridged, nor even that the guilty will be punished. The right itself has nothing to do with whether or not it is abridged, it is simply a recognition of that which is right: that which is just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting. You may still not believe in them, but you cannot argue that they don't exist because they don't fit your definition.
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                                Naruki didn't say that at all. Reread hir post. by flamebait2002-07-09 13:45:33
                                hmm, still reads that way to me by tigermouse2002-07-09 14:47:09
                                You keep using words you cannot define by Naruki2002-07-09 15:11:56
                                Nooooo! by tigermouse2002-07-09 16:22:08
                                I'll make this as painless as possible... by Naruki2002-07-09 18:24:51
                                Oh dear by tigermouse2002-07-09 19:35:38
                                For one thing, the definition you insist on using by flamebait2006-11-19 12:55:59
                                2 for you, 0 for me. ;-( by Naruki2002-07-09 15:23:52
                                Naruki, you're beautiful by tigermouse2002-07-09 16:45:59
                                why not? by tigermouse2002-07-09 16:35:39
                                There is a new lifeform called "throbble". by Naruki2002-07-09 17:37:55
                                Throbbly ones, I spose by tigermouse2002-07-09 18:09:57
                                Slowly. by Naruki2002-07-09 18:27:10
                                If these beasties exist by tigermouse2002-07-09 19:42:59
                                Rights... by slacktime2002-07-09 15:37:03
                                Not bad at all, for a godchild. by Naruki2002-07-09 15:57:51
                                Ahh but by slacktime2002-07-09 16:10:35
                                Totally wrong. by Naruki2002-07-09 17:36:42
                                Ah Naruki too bad by slacktime2002-07-09 22:08:48
                                It would be nice by tigermouse2002-07-09 16:42:19

 

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