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<sigh> Please forgive my country, as it seems by adiplomat2006-11-19 12:55:59
  I am looking forward to the US invading Holland! by bavvy2002-07-09 01:19:27
    Bush is correct. by slayer2002-07-09 01:35:51
      By the reasoning by SaleGamine2002-07-09 01:41:55
        That is my point. by slayer2002-07-09 01:52:38
          No, because that is another basic human right by bavvy2002-07-09 01:57:35
            Freedom of speech is not a human right by slayer2002-07-09 02:06:35
              Humans are not cruel by bavvy2002-07-09 02:10:24
                Oh yeah? by breezeblock2002-07-09 02:15:21
                  The fact that it is not respected by bavvy2002-07-09 02:23:49
                    Sorry to disappoint you but it does. by breezeblock2002-07-09 03:02:18
                      "Right" does not mean bullet-proof by tigermouse2002-07-09 04:50:42
                        Seems that our definition of "right" are confused! by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:01:49
                          *Hurks enormous stone at breezeblock* by tigermouse2002-07-09 05:11:41
                            In whose eye? by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:22:02
                              ...and furthermore! by breezeblock2002-07-09 05:53:57
                                Now you're just being silly! by tigermouse 2002-07-09 06:30:11
remember the definition,

Right n. That which is just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting.

The right to live, then, would be the right not to have one's life taken in a way that is not just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting. In your first hypothetical, it would be legal, proper, fitting, etcetera to defend your family-a threatening intruder's life could be taken in a way that would not be unjust. The sea, in the second, is amoral and can in no way act in a way either just or unjust. Drowning is tragic, but hardly an abridgement of rights.

Again, I emphasize that rights are those things which are just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting, things which *should* happen and which *should* govern our dealings with one another. Just because I have a right does not guarantee that it will be honored. Just because a right is not honored doesn't mean that it is not a right. This seems to be the crux of the misunderstanding. A right is *not* an absolute guarantee of what *must* happen, it is merely that which *should* happen, that which would be just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting.
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                                Just a quote that popped into my mind by bavvy2002-07-09 06:38:12
                                Aaaggghh! by breezeblock2002-07-09 06:45:39
                                I still disagree, semantically by tigermouse2002-07-09 06:56:58

 

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